Trump, I Was Being Sarcastic. He He He!!!

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  1. pete

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    Yep, so maybe "The Jungle" will just be relocated to S. Ireland?
    But I doubt that, different geography.
     
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      There'll be in need for it Pete, that's my point. There are not even any signs saying you are entering/leaving another country.
      For example you can get on a bus in Lifford ( republic ) and get off in Strabane ( UK ) and you wouldn't even know you've entered another country.

      How is this going to work ?

      People can travel freely throughout the Eurozone and therefore enter Ireland freely, then, all they have to do is make their way to any road, street, footpath piece of countryside they like and freely cross it. Then they are illegal immigrants in the UK and not Europes problem anymore.
       
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          That is fine, as long as it is LEGALLY DONE. Proper paperwork etc.
           
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            I really can't understand why Trump uses Twitter (not my place to say whether he should or not) but it loses him the option of Plausible Deniability, which is something that all senior politicians have used over the years to avoid making a fool of themselves.

            A typical example is when he Tweeted that only 117 people had been refused permission to fly to the U.S. At the time he said it I know that it was wrong. A friend of mine is head of a team of Border Force and Security people at one of our major airports. My friend said that his team had already witnessed more than that amount of U.S. passport holders being denied boarding by the airlines (they were there in case of trouble). These were just U.S. citizens who had their origins in one of the seven countries listed. That is without any info from any other airport in this country or any other country.

            Now, I'm not saying that Trump didn't believe the figure he quoted as it was probably the last figure he had been given. The trouble with Tweeting so rapidly is that it doesn't give him an opportunity to get the up to date figures verified.

            That's why Presidents, since the early 1930's, have had a 'Press Secretary' to speak on behalf of the President and Administration. It, specifically, gives them Plausible Deniability so that they can't be accused of getting things wrong. :dunno:

            It would stop most of the sniping at him that he's getting from everyone at the moment.
             
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              Is that what dictates the opinion of the average American these days? I surely hope not. I've always credited our American brethren with more intelligence than that. Perhaps I have been naive.
               
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                OK Anthony, so I'm guessing this is what you are saying will happen, all of those that have been hanging around in Calais, trying to jump on trains to get through the tunnel, will now get in leaky boats and paddle across the channel at it's widest point, then continue around Cornwall and northwards until they hit Ireland.
                At this point Ireland will welcome them with open arms and allow them to flood into Northern Ireland where they will again get into leaky boats in order to reach Liverpool.
                 
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                Possibly, Redstar, it comes from the fact that more Americans kill Americans with a gun in the USA, while no Syrian refugees has killed any American in the USA. The fact that it is only Americans killing each other seems to be deliberately ignored by those supporting Trump and his policies. So what appears to be happening is that the USA is focusing on the Bogey Man of immigrants as though they're the one's that's going to come in and start shooting when there's no chance they will get near a gun or, more importantly, want to. So far, in the USA this year, there have been 5,789 shootings, 1,543 dead from shootings, 2,933 injured, 64 children killed or injured, 31 mass shootings, 23 Police Officers shot or killed, 204 unintentional shootings. Why is there such a fear of any immigrants when they've not committed any offence while every day it's Americans that are presenting the danger to each other? Ignoring the 450lbs Gorilla in the room while standing on a chair screaming at a Mouse seems a bad policy to me.:dunno::wallbanging:

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                  First off I would like to say to @redstar that none of the following is in any way an attack on you personally nor a judgement on your thoughts or ideals.
                  The thoughts and comments of others on this thread do reflect quite accurately the shock that is felt throughout what we regard as the "free world" that "the land of the free" has elected someone who exhibits all the indicators of dictator complex. Whilst the physical similarities between Trump and Mussolini are used for comic effect there is no comedy in the similarities of their mindset.

                  I really do hope so.

                  Me neither. The three most likely scenarios in my mind are;
                  • Civil unrest reaches such levels that it is impossible to ignore and he will be democratically removed. I suspect that a blind eye is being turned to past illegalities until such time as it becomes useful not to ignore them any longer.
                  • The intelligence/security agencies will fall back on their tried and tested JFK strategy.
                  • The Chinese, whilst not known for meddling in overseas situations to the same degree as the Russians, will take action. Possibly with assistance from the intelligence/security agencies of the US.
                  A view that I have long held. A large part of the current mess can be traced back to the division of the old Ottoman Empire between the British and the French after WW1.

                  I'm sure that nobody takes it seriously but satire does have a relevant place in democratic society.

                  Largely because they do not pose such an extreme threat to world peace as Trump does. They're not nice regimes but Trump is a major threat to democracy, liberty and compassionate thinking in one of the most powerful (like it or not) democracies in the world.

                  And the presidency (as well as being a big ego trip) is another part of his business plan. Which is disturbing when you consider the ethics that he applies to his business dealings.

                  That is incorrect. They were identified by the intelligence community who reported back to Obama. Thanks to democratic checks and balances such a policy was stopped. Trump decided that democracy is only useful at certain times so bypassed the system and used a presidential order instead.

                  That video is a classic but in all fairness the translation has nothing to do with what is being said. Lovely piece of satire though and it makes a fair point (on more than one level!).

                  Yup! :dbgrtmb:

                  A fair point and one that is easily overlooked.

                  Doesn't appear to have killed anyone though, unlike several American high school students.

                  Anyway, those are my thoughts. Thanks for reading and enjoy your day.
                   
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                    A new low?

                    Mia Ayliffe-Chung: Backpacker murder not "terror attack" - BBC News

                    A British girl that was murdered in Australia has been named by the Trump Administration as a victim of ISIS, despite police ruling out any links to any terrorist organisation.

                    Her grieving mother is understandably annoyed and upset that her daughter's death has been used to Trump's advantage.
                     
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                      According to the report, here are the number of times each president, since Reagan, has limited immigration to specific groups of people:
                      • Ronald Reagan - Five times.
                      • George H. W Bush - One time.
                      • Bill Clinton - 12 times.
                      • George W. Bush - Six times.
                      • Barack Obama - 19 times.
                      What was the out cry then. I do not recall any?
                       
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                        Due to News reports twisting things, I do not "just" believe it all.

                        Found this also on line: Seems that the French man was shouting something as he was stabbing her?
                        Frenchman shouts 'Allahu Akbar' as he stabs UK woman to death in Australia
                         
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                          The coppers ruled out a terrorist connection. The coppers have access to more detail than the media.

                          I hope Trump isn't basing his beliefs on the media alone, especially the commercially funded channels. If he is, gods help us all, because some of our media outlets in the UK would have us believe all sorts of drivel, and as for US media, I don't think too many have forgotten the Birmingham story that Fox ran with a while ago.
                           
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