What would you do if you saw a young girl getting bullied?

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  1. CanadianLori

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    Lots of theoretical stuff here. What I actually did worked and now I have a smart phone, I can make my point stick.

    Just saying... you don't have time to figure out how NOT to help if you ever intend to do the right thing by stepping up and doing something.
     
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      You forgot to mention if things go to court and the months and possibly years of things hanging over you.
      Costs including loss of working time etc.
      and sleepless nights.

      Best to not go there, a simple intervention could get you ruined in more ways than one these days.
       
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        With respect, that's because you're a woman. And because the perpetrator was male. If you had been a man filming a young girl bully, society and plod would have taken a very different view.
         
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          I totally understand why you would think that ... but (please! I do not want an argument, I promise!) ... you would not be filming for the purpose of gratification/titivation/pornographic adaptation ... you would be doing so for evidential purposes ONLY!!!
          The law really does make allowances for authentic, justifiable, innocent, reasons behind things you know. It's not all Jimmy Savile and Linda Lovelace! :doh:
           
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            Thing is "M" it would be down to you to prove that, probably in a court of law, and the other lot would be doing their best to get you put on the pedo list.
             
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            Several things make me think this video is a set up. 1, the girl doesn`t seem to be at all concerned. 2, she is not upset. 3, the 2 "bullies" are not really bullying her, and. 4, why is it allk being filmed?lol
             
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              I did actually once intervene when young women, though slightly older than girls, were bullying someone.

              The scenario was this. We're in a nightclub. I spot a group of young women swarming a more mature lady that I was acquainted with but not exactly close in any way.

              I ambled over to see what was going on, having noticed that the more mature lady was trying to move away from the younger group, but they kept sticking to her.

              Once closer, it became apparent that the young women were being threatening and abusive, and wanted the mature lady to step outside. Putting on my most jolly face, I boldly waltzed up and said hello to the lady I vaguely knew, and then turned and smiled to the younger ladies as if acknowledging friends of a friend. It didn't work. The more mature lady simply stuck to me, attempting almost to hide behind me like a frightened kid hiding behind their parent, and the young women turned hostile, actually attempting to get round me to hit her.

              I calmly but firmly, while twizzling round to and fro to keep myself between my acquaintance and her aggressors, asked what this is all about. I wasn't really interested in the answer. I didn't care about their personal dispute. I just wanted to see if they could rationalise their behaviour. Turns out my acquaintance stood accused by one of the younger girls of causing her parents divorce, by flirting with their dad. This was like gold. This was the juicy white head of the zit waiting to be popped. I asked my acquaintance her side. She claimed to have no idea (I later learned good reason to believe her, but didn't care one way or the other at the time or at any time). So I then asked the accusing girl to explain how a simple flirt could end her parents marriage. I asked what her dad did. I asked lots of unpleasant questions, trying to get to the bottom of how my acquaintance flirting briefly with her dad could lead to divorce, unless of course her dad flirted back, but even then, a bit if a flirt is enough to cause a row bit not usually enough on its own to split a family. I asked the girl to explain who she thought would have been most in the wrong, if anything had happened, when one party was single and unattached and the other was married with a family.

              A few times I had to dodge a few punches myself while calmly asking awkward questions. When the young accuser finally burst into tears, her friends, clearly not longer sure where, if anywhere, blame should go, did the right thing and calmly restrained her and took her home.

              While all of this was going on, I was conscious of my need to keep my arms by my sides no matter how many strikes approached my face, because I knew that any observers needed to see a completely non-aggressive man simply chatting to the group of younger women. It seemed to work.
               
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                It is. It says so both at the beginning and the end, and in the description.

                It's to raise awareness as part of an anti bullying campaign.

                The girls are actors (not very good ones perhaps). The crew are a successful comedy hidden camera prankster squad, and the sponsors are an anti bullying campaign group.
                 
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                @clueless1, why do you think my post is funny?
                 
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                Because I'm an idiot?
                 
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                  The crew are a successful comedy hidden camera prankster squad,

                  So we are talking "Candid Camera"? What is funny about it?
                   
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                  It is for the prosecution to "prove" any wrong intent - not for you to "prove" your innocence.
                  Also, do bear in mind, bullies tend to have a history! That would be your defence teams job to "prove".
                  Anyway, this is getting far too "heavy" for a casual evening chat ;) Whether one does get involved or not is a judgement call, at that time, under given circumstances. It is all hypothetical.

                  It is a "set up" ;) It's an information/campaign video to raise awareness of the issue :blue thumb:
                  Regarding your points:
                  As for #1 ... no, people often do not realise what they are experiencing is actual bullying; that takes knowledge and ... experience! (Maybe ... promotional/campaign videos? Which works both ways ... it also informs bullies that their behaviour does indeed constitute bullying behaviour!)
                  As for #2 ... being overtly "upset" isn't a prerequisite for justifying ... being ... fundamentally upset! Just saying.
                  As for #3 ... that would very much depend on the perceived definition of "bullying". Certainly attacking someone with derisory comments is deemed a form of bully on the same scale of actively ignoring/ostracising someone and further to that, punching someone on the nose each time they passed.
                   
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                  Sorry. You just reminded me of something funny one once read.
                   
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                  I agree daitheplant, it does seem set up, but I am sure that things like this go on everyday.

                  I think that the worse thing now from reading media reports over the years on bullying is cyber bullying as there is very rarely anyone that can intervene as it is to some degree 'hidden'.

                  Would I get involved? I think I would focus my attention on the person being bullied rather than confronting the bullies. I would try and get them out of the situation. If it was my kids being bullied would I want someone to intervene and aid them? Yes I would.

                  Although not kids being bullied an incident involving a friends son who intervened in a situation where a couple of men were harassing a woman when he was on his way to the pub. Aparently the men had been drinking an one of them turned on him with a Stanley knife. He ended up with over 300 stitches in his head face and neck and was a couple of millimetres from having the main artery in his neck cut. His life is virtually ruined before he is 30 he has turned into a recluse because of it.

                  This is maybe different to bullying, but would make me stop and think before getting involved in things. Especially now I have got older, in younger days I would step up no question.

                  Rusty
                   
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                    Unfortunately that's no longer true. The magna carta was superseded by the launch of Facebook and the wider media now.

                    There was once a time when there was trial by jury, trial by fire, trial by that water thingy for witches, and even trial by combat. All except the first one were replaced by the simplified protocol of trial by media, which in certain case types also supersedes trial by jury.
                     
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