Westminster today.

Actually, clueless, we don't. The UK Hate Crime legislation is a mongrel law because it's blurred by the present EU legislation which is a compromise trying to "nod" to all 28 members of the EU, all of which have greatly differing views on the definition of a Hate Crime.
Your last sentence seems to indicate that one certain group is unhappy with the UK'S legislation, but let me assure you that there are many groups who are unhappy with it. The main UK religious groups, and certain political organisations, are trying to pressurise the Government and the Judiciary into redefining such legislation to meet their own agenda and views. There are several cases in progress with that aim in mind at the moment. I can't see any improvement until we have left the EU completely and extracted the good and the bad from the present EU legislation........but you know the saying.........

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

 

"I've got a little list". This has always been a topic of discussion and it was like that even in the Mikado.

Here are a couple of modern versions that plagiarise the song - but have different lists.

 

No, definitely not, dai,.............they were never any good at gardening

 

I really think you need to spend some time reading some legislation and understanding how it got there. Let me say that precedents in UK law, and referred to by the Judiciary, are set by important cases going back sometime a hundred years. They are set by points of Law, not by political groups, and only change when Courts think that Justice is best served by that change and cannot be challenged. Precedents are not given to any group due to a "bowing" or submission, they are set by common sense, long hard experience, discussion and argument and an attempt to give Justice to all.

Have you ever been to Speakers Corner, clueless, or the like?? Go on the Net and you'll see extremism from all Religions, Political organisations. Due to some of our own tightening of laws anyone standing on any street, in any town or city, promoting terrorism
is liable under the Terrorism Act 2006, and that carries hefty sentences. So your assessment is totally out of date and belongs in the past.

There isn't a Country in the World, in any age, that has achieved satisfaction to every belief, political group, point of view when passing a law. It sounds such an easy and logical solution to the problem that it should have been done when they were writing on stone tablets. Unfortunately, in reality, there is no completely satisfactory answer to setting laws, as somewhere, someone will take umbrage and scream injustice. We can't even eradicate injustice or disagreement in work or even our own homes and families so the Courts will never be correct in everyone's eyes.

 

I'll bring my bucket to drink from, Lori

 

As I also think it pointless going over the same ground again I shall also leave it but to first make a comment on the topic of Speakers Corner.

When I was at college, within walking distance of the Corner, it was part of our course to go in our lunchtime to listen to some of the speakers. We then had to discuss what was said in our philosophy, sociology and law classes - and this was at a hairdressing college. We also had to go to court to listen to some of the cases.

When I was at school we went, a few times, to the Old Bailey to listen to the cases. We also had to study comparative religion. Funnily enough we weren't taken on visits to the red light district

There's nothing like having a rounded education - but that was in olden times.

 

Oh! Just in case anyone was thinking I went to any fancy schools, no I didn't. My two primary schools were in Hackney (in those days it was not quite a slum area on the border of the East End and North London) and I worked at weekends, whilst still at school, as a barrow boy in the East End.

My secondary school was on the border of Hackney and the City . It was a very old building (bars on the windows, locked gates etc. and us boys always said that it must have been a workhouse in the old days ). I remember the lamplighter coming down the road and lighting the street lights in the evenings.

 

Whoops! Rumbled