can anyone identify these two plants, please?

a detail shot of the first plant. Each flower cluster is about an inch long
And here's the shape of the plant - about 3 foot high, quite straggly in growth style
...possibly a bird-seed planting?


The second plant - i know, not quite in flower yet. It's a cutting I took from our holiday cottage last year, so I'm sure the flowers will be quite impressive when open. I'd like to be able to tell hubby what it is, when he sees the first flower!

 

Last one looks like Agastache, possibly Blue Fortune or Blue Boa? Depending on the height

 

I think the first one may be a Vetch Sian.

 

I've just found my wild-flower identification book (was hiding under a novel)...

I think it is more like a Lucerne? The leaflets are always in threes -trefoil - all the way down the stem. The stem is ridged, but not hairy...
I will try not to let it seed, but the bees and hoverflies love it!

We do have common vetch elsewhere, but this purple plant is on a completely different scale. Self-supporting, has a branching habit, and is dwarfing the Veronica.

 

Sounds like it's ready to take over the garden Sian.

 

The second one looks like a Salvia.

 

It's a long shot, but what about Baptisia australis for the first one?

 

2. Sian...any chance of a clear pic of the open flower.
Enchanters nighshade has several tiny white flowers on a stalk.
Your plant has a single blue bud.

enchanter's nightshade - Google Search

 

I don't think it is enchanters nightshade, which I think is an altogether smaller plant. This one is over a foot high, and wide. The flower spike seems to have developed (still no sign of a white flower), so I will take a photo in the morning....

 

Sorry for the delay, had to wait for the showers to pass through...
Here's a shot with a petunia in the background for an idea of scale and colour accuracy for the photo


And here's one with me trying to steady the flower in the breeze...
I'm thinking probably some sort of salvia, and definitely gorgeous!!

 

Lucerne and the second one is like Salvia armistad. But definitely a Salvia.

 

Perhaps @longk can id this for you Sian. It does look like a Salvia.