Clematis help needed

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    martin-f Plant Hardiness Zone 8b

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    There's all kind of plants mixed in with it :), from what ive read they can be very invasive, like I said I never feed mine but I do always top dress my borders in spring with fresh soil so I guess they do get some nutrient's to kick start them into summer.
     
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      I think the mix of different climbers looks great. It's what I'm aiming for with the fence to soften the appearance. At different points I've planted the Passion flower, a clematis(I promise, it really is one!) Princess Diana, a Star Jasmine and also an Abutilon Megapotamicum (this seems to be growing differently to the specimen I saw so not sure this will actually work on the trellis - may have to move it)

      Also everything is planted in top soil mixed with manure in raised sleeper bed so perhaps the soil is not the best quality?
       
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        I totally agree :) when I first started designing my garden 4 yrs ago my first thoughts was my boarders full of climbing plants on to the fence, so that's what I did, since then ive added more woodwork, that's creates more places for climbers, its still work in progress but its startin to look mature in places,

        Its just starting to come together but there's still lots to grow, 3/5 yrs from now any wood work will be full of various climbers.
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          This part is full with climbers just starting to mature and in every gap in the conifers I have a different type of shrub some shrubs have berries some flowers, I'm going to keep this part trimmed nice and neat when things grow more.
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            @martin-f You should be proud, they look amazing! Loving the mix of different clematis together.

            In a different spot in my garden I have a motorbike shed (of all things!) which thankfully is green metal but still is going to be covered with a mix of clematis. I've fixed trellis to the side with bolts and have started growing Montana Vera, Duchess of Edinburgh and Niobe. There will eventually be a wonderfully, random mix of double white, pink and dark wine flowers - well, thats the plan! Those clematis are in containers though, so I guess they might not do as well as if they were in the ground, but it was block paving by the shed, therefore no choice.

            I really like the Nasturtiums too, lovely vibrant orange which looks fab with purple.
             
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              I cant wait for your updates sounds a good plan :blue thumb:, I don't know anything about container growing a experienced grower will be along to help :),

              The butterfly's and bees are loving the Nasturtiums never seen as many butterflies in a small place for years :), but they look a little untidy for me tbh, going to have to have a rethink for next year :scratch:

              One part ive put some climbing roses maybe something to consider in the future.
               
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                I have a climbing rose on another fence on the other side of the garden and also another one growing up the opposite side of the motorbike shed. The part of the fence I'm training the climbers up is the boundary fence and small children walk past it occasionally so I thought I'd keep the thorns away *too kind* haha!
                I do love roses. My childhood house had climbing roses growing up the entire back of the house, right up to gutter level. It was stunning. As a child I didn't appreciate the spiders :help: that crawled in though my bedroom window but hey ho :)
                Everything is still very much new in the front garden. Apart from a very large cypress and a sprawling brachyglottis 'Sunshine' plant.
                 
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                  Hi there! Like what you're going with those climbers! They're great for creating a bit of privacy from next door, aren't they?
                  Was wondering about your problem / maybe not just the interesting weather in Cheshire (I'm worse, in Scotland!) , but if you're in a newly built house, with loads of builders rubbish buried in your soil, that could be part of the problem?

                  I used to work as a gardener for lots of people who lived in new builds and they often had problems related to drainage and lack of good soil and space for roots to grow. If that's the case, you might need to dig a good sized hole and dig out bits of poured concrete, old cans, bits of plastic that held packs of slabs together, etc, etc
                   
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                    Gaaaawd. that brings back the memories of the original state of my garden when I bought my House in the late 70's:doh:. I spent a year pulling out plastic sheeting up to 70' in length out of the soil, concrete lumps, bricks, wire, mortar, gravel, etc.......and still dig up bricks from the borders after 35 or so years:wallbanging::snorky:
                     
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                      Hi @UsedtobeDendy

                      I suspect the soil in question is part of the problem but not because it's a new build; we've been here for over 20 years. Just not spent much of that time a) gardening or b) improving the soil! Its only been the last two years I've had any interest in sorting the garden out.
                      I intend to mix in some manure, although the top soil in the border where the Passion flower is did apparently have manure mixed in. I was thinking of getting some chicken manure pellets.
                      Some of the other borders I have are very narrow and as such don't seem to offer good quality planting conditions so I think I need to improve soil overall. I have a honeysuckle near my cypress tree which is not flourishing too. Everything in the garden is tons better than it was two years ago, its just my expectations are higher now haha
                       
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                      Don't be too hasty with trying to beef up the soil with nutrients as too much feed won't be good for the plants. You need to add compost [garden or commercial] in order to improve the soil so that it will retain nutrients and add more humus to open up clay or help sandy soils, like mine, to hold moisture.
                       
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                        @ARMANDII Ok, so should I lay it on top around the plants or try to dig it over? I have some general use compost so I can do that in the next couple of days.
                         
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                          Oh hang on, whats humus? Guessing its not the kind you eat :biggrin:
                           
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                            Well, if you can lightly dig it in if you're not going to disturb any plants, and the worms will do the rest. Adding Manure is useful but it depends on what kind it is, [Cow, Horse, Pig], and usually the first two will have lots of weed seeds in them:dunno: I also started the beginnings of the National Horse Shoe Collection with using Horse Manure.
                            I think the rest of the GC Gang will agree with me when I say there is no quick fix to soil improvement. I dumped around 200 tons of top soil on my building site of a garden in the early days along with visits to the 8 or so Horse Stables for sacks of manure. So, nearly 4 decades later I am still adding around 1200 litres of used compost onto the borders......so I guess it takes time and patience.:dunno::heehee::doh:
                             
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                              Not even with Brown Sauce.:nonofinger::heehee:

                              "the dark organic material in soils, produced bythe decomposition of vegetable or animalmatter and essential to the fertility of the earth".
                               
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