Donald Trump.

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  1. Marley Farley

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      Ah well! That seems a sad example of 11 minutes of air time not discussing anything relevant and no facts put forward. They are, of course, entitled to air their opinions but they don't follow through on any of the arguments but just talk generalities and some of them do that thing of talking so fast so as not to allow interruptions - but just lose their audience because there's no time to absorb what they say.

      The same thing happens over here.

      They did mention one 'fact', which was about Trump's popularity. It didn't quite fit with the analysis of all the polls. I tried to extract a copy of them but it wouldn't work. So here's the link

      How Popular Is Donald Trump?

      It shows his approval and disapproval ratings through all the polls and averages them out. His approval rate has gone up over the last six months but that was after a steady tumble. It still doesn't show anywhere near the rate quoted on that clip - but it's not too bad a rating for this period in his term.

      The trouble with Fox is that it has a veracity problem that is well known. In the past Rupert Murdoch has admitted that he isn't too bothered about the truth as long as it sells the news. :blue thumb: Over here we tend to be a bit ashamed about this British owned company and some of the newspapers he owns. His News of the World newspaper/comic :heehee: was the biggest English language newspaper in the world. It was shut down by the government for phone hacking.

       
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        Will he win the mid terms? Will he get a second term...? The man is abhorrent.
         
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          Yes, he will. time again the Democrats are showing stupidity, who would want one of theirs. Anyway, we watch BBC, cannot believe the fake new from there. Even husband, who does not vote for anyone, was listening, he said---wow, what lies.
           
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            Can't comment on the Dems or their stupidity (anything specific?) but I do agree with you. I don't think there's a viable alternative at this point on either side of the Atlantic and yes, we have our own fair share of bias. I like to read something and have it corroborated but as a rule I simply take all 'news' now with a pinch of salt.

            It seems to me, that sadly each and every country is becoming more insular and xenophobic in a time when we should be doing the opposite :(
             
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              Have to agree Loofah
               
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                It's a recipe for conflict
                 
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                  I would want a Democrat over Trump, any day. To my mind Trump supporters show their ignorance time after time. How can you support a man who is a racist, doesn't read, is ill informed, embarrasses the US every time he meets a foreign leader? Lost track of how many he's offended. Oh yea and boasts of grabbing women by the pu**y and if you think it doesn't get any worse, well it does; he mocked a disabled journalist and locks up children. Then there is climate change denying, putting a pesticides company executive in charge of environmental protection, etc etc etc. Yeah, give us a Democrat please!


                  The BBC is not fake news; it is one of the most respected news organisations in the world and has a long history of fair reporting.
                   
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                    People are entitled to believe what they wish but I prefer to try and verify facts and statements in as many ways as possible.

                    It's easy to say that something is fake news if you decide not to believe it without looking into it. Nay saying by someone else is not verification. Checking from many different, and opposing, quarters helps to get more of a balance and actually watching someone in their own press conference say something certainly helps to verify what they are saying. Then seeing them later on denying it, or tweeting that it didn't happen, only makes me lose faith in anything they might say.

                    I still think that just posting clips, either news videos, TV interviews or newsprint links doesn't help any argument if not backed up - as we can see when posting links to satirical magazines and, by not commenting on them, implying that they are real news.
                     
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                      Yes @Redwing seems there are a percentage of Americans that cannot see the damage he is doing to themselves and the world and what a dreadful person he actually is..

                      Who would have thought a country would vote A virtual reality TV person to be president..! He lied and bullied his way there a lot of blinkered Americans cannot see the harm actually outweighs the good now that he has done..
                      I do have to say though that Hilary is a bad piece of news too though, so like us they were caught between the devil and the deep blue sea I suppose..
                       
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                        Yep, I find that very sad, if it is true, or is there spin, I was looking at some of the complete rubbish coming down the right hand side of the page regarding other "interesting"facts.





                        So, although I dont doubt an element of truth, I think there is probably more to it than we are seeing in that link.:smile:

                        I'm getting to the point where I dont believe anything I read on the internet, basically the whole system stinks.Anyone can write whatever they want without any comeback.

                        There is a simple reason for that, basically you cant change someones point of view, by law, it dont work, and never will, it just makes their thoughts more entrenched, you have to change them gradually over time, even if that means waiting for certain generations to die out.;)
                         
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                          The UK is just as litigious as the US and it is just not possible to print/report lies (unless it is expressly made clear that it is satirical) without
                          1. facing court action
                          2. being hauled up before the overseeing authorities
                          I would agree that the BBC is slightly biased but certainly not to anything like the extent that the print media is. Major headline stories at the Beeb are subjected not only to editorial scrutiny but also legal scrutiny. What it does not do is to blatantly misrepresent the facts to suit its own purposes (ie; the Chumps tweet about the NATO budget "agreement").
                           
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                            Right now the democrats new thing is banning plastic straws and replacing them with paper straws. But those paper straws are packed in one use only plastic covering. And further more if your caught in California using plastic straws its jail time. OK, then. moving on.
                             
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                              I've always watched BBC news for years, I also watch ITV, of the two I would say ITV is less biased.
                              The BBC certainly do have a different view of things as I see it, and I can see why anyone watching the BBC from a foreign country would get the opinion that 75% of the population over here is black or Asian.
                              Ever watched a school report? Most kids appear to be black or Asian.
                              Ever watched a reporter interviewing people in the street, mostly you see Muslims interviewed along with East Europeans then the token English person comes at the end.:biggrin:
                              So, they do put a big slant on the news I think. maybe subtle, but it is there if you look.

                              They also have a programme, I dont think it is on at the moment where people get the chance to question what they see on the BBC news, mostly they are wasting their time when they call in, as some sanctimonious editor is there to come up with excuses as to why they did what they did.

                              No the BBC is fault less, wonderful and has its own agenda.:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                               
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