Boris the pregnant fish

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  1. longk

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    It's a little lazy to blame Muslims for this - there are a lot of us who believe that he has over-stepped the mark (again). It is Boris' fault, no one elses. All that he had to say was that he felt it wrong that women are forced to wear this garb (it should also be noted that some do wear it of their own free will) - it was not necessary for him to insult them by saying that they look like bank-robbers or post boxes (and lets face it, even the most stupid among us knows that they are red!).

    I'm not sure. The pinko liberal in me says yes, absolutely. But what about those who wear it of their own free will. It is a different thing entirely to FGM which although it is also cultural is wrong and causes irreparable harm. What about nuns? They could have suicide vests under their vests. What about people who wear face masks in traffic, balaclavas in the winter. Maybe it would be OK if they're not Muslim, I don't know.
    Personally I would like to see it banned. What I would not want to see happen as a result is for wives of fundementalist men (it is an extreme interpretation of the Quran) to become domestic prisoners.

    And less sensible countries too.
     
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    • pete

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      OH, I dont blame Muslims for this I blame the Media, they are whipping up the histeria and Muslims are having to respond.
      I blame your average, mostly white, middle class, overeducated pregnant fish.

      They set the ball rolling, then sit back and watch what goes on.
      Anything that can be remotely latched onto as racist gets the lefties all fired up.
      The muslims are just taking the bait.

      In fact the whole point of what Boris was saying is that in the UK you CAN walk around looking ridiculous if you want to, and in his eyes it SHOULD NOT be banned.

      But because he added those two comments it's been turned into a jehad almost.

      As I said, I dont rate the bloke but he's done far more stupid things than this and not much has been said.
      Which I find rather strange.:scratch:
       
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        Silly media stories deflect away from the real problems affecting the public today. Is this done deliberately or is because of lazy journalism?

        Personally im more concerned about things like the police loosing control of the streets, brexit chaos,the murder rate soaring,impending food inflation rather tgan some ninsense being spouted by the attention seeker Boris.
         
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          Good thread, my opinion is.... I'm all in favour of free speech, and freedom to live how we want ( obviously within the laws of the land )
          With that comes a bit of responsibility. People have to be responsible for how they respond to said free speech, and be diplomatic if they disagree.
          The problems arise ( in my opinion) when people take offence at others opinions, it's only an opinion:dunno: everyone has one :old:
          As my Mam used to say ' just agree to disagree '
           
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            I thought he said letter box, which is where the postman puts your mail, the red post boxes are where RM collect the mail from, but the media/cartoonists don't seem to know the difference.


            P.S. Some people also get confused between letter boxes and letter plates. And the latter is not a silver platter that posh folk have their butlers bring the mail to them on.
             
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                I'd like to see him thrown out the party.
                But definitely not over something this silly, he should have been dumped ages ago, but kind of hung on, if his demise comes from two small comments then this country certainly has got its priorities mixed up.
                 
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                  Demeaning women and being Islamophobic are not silly matters.
                   
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                    How has he demeaned women?
                    If there is some religious nut out there forcing a woman to walk around like this, then they are demeaning women.

                    I just dont get it, I also dont get the islamophobic bit either.

                    If he had said Nuns look like daleks do you actually think this silly witch hunt would still be going on ?
                     
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                      @pete Did you read the link to the comment I posted? Maybe then you will get it.
                       
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                      Well I read some of it but i've come across Polly Toynbee on the TV.

                      To be honest I dont rate her much, just another journalist with their own agenda.
                      I mean basically we all have our own views, I think it just becomes dangerous, probably too big a word, but cant think of a better one, when people believe this kind of stuff.

                      It's just Toynbee's point of view, her slant on the situation, I put mine on it, you put yours on it, what is the difference.
                      Nobody listens to me, but she has a column in a newspaper.
                      So she must be right. :smile:
                       
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                        I thought that it was one of her more measured pieces. Toynbee is very vocal in her dislike of religion but is particularly critical of Islam. Whilst I agree with her on religion in general but in my experience Muslims are more christian in their deeds than christians are.
                        Any roads, back to Boris. His piece was derogatory to women (who wear the burqa) not because he wrote it but because of the letterbox/bank robber comments. The piece was actually in spirit in line with my own views but the two standout comments were not only not funny but (in my opinion) they were there to garner support of the knuckle dragging element of our population who are racist (and who ironically almost certainly will not have read the article). They did not add anything to the thrust of what he was writing, and as it tu rns out they have overshadowed it.
                        He deserves to go because it was offensive to include them. He (as in his career) deserves to be damaged by this because it underlines his fundamental lack of judgement and demonstrates his bully boy approach to life.
                        The tory party probe into this is not only about the comments though. It will also be looking into his breach of parliamentary rules by not waiting the three required months after leaving the cabinet before taking on new paid work or alternatively applying for permission to do so.
                         
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                        • pete

                          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                          Oh well, I guess I know now why my knuckles are sore.:biggrin:
                           
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                            I'm still amazed that anyone voted for Boris both as Mayor of London then as an MP. Were there no better choices? I can sort of see how Trump got in as Clinton seemed a worse choice from my limited perspective and knowledge. But Boris is a complete buffoon, if the Monty Python Upper Class Twit of the Year competition was still running Boris would be the multiple champion.

                            This quote from A Lincoln applies to them both: "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
                             
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                              Google found me a better quote:

                              "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can make a damn fool of yourself any old time"
                               
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