Brexit - am I stupid or what?

I am genuinely struggling to think of one positive thing about us being in the EU. Seriously, what is so good about this special wee club?

 

I wish it was as simple as that, longk. It was much discussed while I was in the Courts as that subject is why I was a Consultant/Advisory. Firstly, retaining all of the EU Legislation would make a post Brexit UK impossible to decide it's own policies either legally, economically or politically as an independent country. However, the proposed plan is, and has been for the last two years, to try to disentangle the UK from the sticky web of EU legislation while retaining a good portion that is good legislation and can/is be applied within the UK's Justice System

Too obviously, longk. But, in reality, what is the logic in keeping all the "rules and standards" of a Club/Organisation of which we are no longer a member?. Not all the the EU legislation is EU orientated but agreed global trading standards along with a myriad of other none EU specific standards/rules that originated from the EU. That is the portion of legislation that is proposed that we keep. However, it will take years to strip out all the unwanted portions but, again, it makes commonsense to just ignore any legislation which asks the UK to pay homage to a Club/Organisation of which we are no longer a member. That we would no longer be over ruled by the European Courts of Justice within our own independent legal system.

 

You're right, longk, but there's already steps being taken to identify what is needed and what isn't. Let's keep it simple by oversimplifying it and split EU law into political, economic and trade and it's standards for goods and services.
EU political laws can mostly be disregarded almost immediately as, except in a very small number of cases, the European Courts of Justice will not have any input or authority in the UK Legal system. Logic says that most present trading standards agreed by the EU and the UK can stay as they're already being practiced by Manufacturers on either side of the Channel
So..........



There are certain EU standards that weren't agreed by the UK, nor welcomed by it but imposed on it to further the political authority of the EU over it's members, so there will be some argument whether or not those will stay and that will depend on the subject and context. I think they will disappear in the bin, time will tell. Most of the EU legislation has been added in drip, drip fashion over the 40 years of the EU's existence but noticeably increased when the EU's agenda and priorities changed from trading to political ambitions.
So, in reality, the EU legislation already ensconced in the UK legal system will be there formally but once the UK has completely politically and formally left we are not committed to using and standing by all of it. So, don't believe that the UK has to adhere to all the EU legislation already in the UK legal system, it does not The real world of finance, manufacturing and services will carry on as it has albeit, where not avoidable, with some loss of speed. But we will not go back to pre EEC times, that is just part of the fear campaign. My experience is that Money is a real driving force and that Manufacturers etc, on finding an obstacle, will always find a way around it by any means available to them.

Not quite accurate, longk, don't believe all that you read. Any laws introduced by the EU from now until we have left will go formally on the UK's "books" but, again, that does not mean that the UK has to comply with them on leaving the "Club". Where laws/standards apply to trade standards then it is most likely those will stay but they will be perused to see if they applicable once we have left and are a independent sovereign country.

The estimate is around 15 years but that is because the wheels of bureaucracy and legal nit picking move slowly. However, those laws that were effective when in the EU that meant we had to acknowledge the authority of the EU politically and financially are easily identifiable as being redundant after we leave. So we will not be forced to follow all the Club rules once we have left the Club merely those that help smooth the path for financial, manufacturers and services trading paths. There will be a huge amount of legal technical discussion behind the scenes by experts, panels, commissions, etc all using a lot of money and time to decide, formally, what law should be kept or not but, in reality those unwanted, ineffective, redundant laws or standards will have, in the real world, been ignored. The proviso is, of course, that if we do a deal to be in the Customs Union for any period of time then the UK will have to conform to all EU legislation for that period.

 

It looks as though a new lucrative job to be in will be the analysis and disentangling of the EU laws. So we shall soon have lots more employment from leaving

 

You disagree with me being confused? It was a genuine question to be honest, because from where I am sitting it doesn't seem all that good. If it was such an excellent club, then why are our roads and pavements in a hell of a mess, our schools in an almost dilapidated state and having to rely on charity and parents for funding, our health service is in its worst state for many years (OK, we that one is the Tories), Social Care is in an equally bad state and part of the reason that the NHS is struggling (again, Tories), we have a housing crisis, our railways are Donald Ducked, public transport generally is underfunded, police are so stretched and underfunded that we are fast becoming a gang land, waste handling and recycling is a disaster, and even power generation is insufficient for the country's needs........... yeah, this is a fantastic club this one!!!

 

I see the EU has once again simply said no and you (the UK) has to propose something new rather than actually help out.

Surely the gov't can see the futility in dealing with the EU at this point?! End discussions and focus on defined plans for customs and trade so we're not chocked come March

 

That's it @Fat Controller my friend you are wearing those Rose coloured glasses again

 

It's already started, Shiney, with a lot of specialist Law firms already been working on it for the last year at least giving recommendations. It will all have to go through numerous committees etc before going to the Commons for legislation action and that will provide jobs for years.

 

The Italians, Greeks, Spain, and some other Mediterranean countries might agree with you there, FC......I think we'll have to get to the back of the queue!!