Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Actually, we could, pete, if the worst was to happen, i.e: the way the Commons is at the present time with a minority government and where the major parties are split among themselves, and some parties are set to vote against any deal no matter what, the nightmare is that a move could be made, if the proposed deal is voted down, that the anti Brexiteers could put forward a motion to have a second referendum in the face of having a hard Brexit. The only viable way out, that I can see, is that the Government and the DUP go for the hard Brexit and out vote the opposition I don't like the idea but it is a possibility.

 

I think the reality is that the EU would be delighted if it did all go pear-shaped, and they were 'asked' to scrap everything - - the additional billions of pounds into their budget would ease their pain, I'm sure.

One thing I am certain of, out or in, Cameron should be had up on a charge of treason for this mess - how he can just resign and walk away from it all without any culpability is beyond belief.

 

There's been a lot said and, more to the point, a lot unsaid. Article 50 was triggered and, technically, is irrevocable, but the EU is willing, informally, to give the UK until 12 April 2020 to change it's mind. Should that happen the other 27 EU would have to vote to agree......but they would vote Yes.
If we did have a second referendum which, in my opinion would be undemocratic, as it would be used by the anti-brexiteers in an attempt to overthrow the original referendum. Like I said, it would also have the consequence of freeing the SNP to have another independence referendum

They're not running the show as such, pete, but they are running the Club and therefore representing 27 other countries. Our position in negotiating is, obviously undermined by the fact that we have to continue trading with the EU after Brexit and the EU is determined to play hardball in order to warn off other members contemplating the possibility of leaving. As usual the UK has tried to be the nice guy, courteous and almost subservient which has only encouraged the EU to continue to act like it is doing.

I'm not saying a second referendum will happen, and I certainly would be "disappointed" if it did, but the possibility, should any deal be voted down or a Hard Brexit be inevitable, is there.
In my opinion the Government should not have weakened and agreed to give the MP's a "meaningful" vote on any final deal......that opened the Pandora Box. But again, I think, that the Public has never supported the Government in any substantial way, but has been happy to criticise the negotiating team and inevitably encouraging the EU to place barriers in the way. What bemuses me is that during all the criticism of the Government throughout the nearly two years of negotiations the UK public has not criticised the EU to the same level and that has aided and abetted the EU to be as awkward and hostile as it has been.
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Hmm. I'm not so sure, FC. Cameron didn't just call a referendum on a whim. Disatisfaction, if we're honest, has been growing in the UK over the last couple of decades with us all grumbling about some of the laws, etc, being thrust upon us and the conviction that the UK seemed to be having less and less say in EU matters and being treated by Germany and France as the Black Sheep of the EU Flock as the UK Public were becoming more openly dissatisfied.
The pressure on Cameron to have a BREXIT referendum was growing because previous Governments had been themselves put under pressure to have a referendum. Where Cameron went wrong was that he caved into the pressure in the belief that the UK would vote to stay in.
To be honest, I've grateful for Cameron misjudging the situation and proposing a referendum. If he hadn't we wouldn't be where we hare now with a chance to become a free country again with a future that lies in our our hands and not in the hands of some unelected monstrous Bureaucracy.

 

So who wants an additional year for the government to see if they can’t dig themselves out of their hole? Raab has also hinted at MPs not getting the vote that they thought they were getting... who can say ‘stitch up!’

 

Sounds as though you can!

 

First step toward staying in - I honestly don't know why were are faffing about any longer with this; it is abundantly clear that the howling remain crowd are going to get their way, because if they don't they will want referendum after referendum until they get the answer they want; meanwhile, the government will send someone for occasional dinners in Brussels to make it look like they are doing something in between arguing amongst themselves.

 

It's desperation!

 

Hello I know lets form a breakaway market of our own in competition with the EU,then we get to choose who joins with us and we can make the rules

 

No-deal Brexit could risk Britain's small businesses City A.M. on Twitter

It "could" do a lot of things, the larger point is that no-one knows until the deal is done [or not]