Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Well said @pete , this is exactly the reason there has to be a border between NI and Eire. Once they're in Eire with no border they're free to travel anywhere over here.

 

Sorry but peace in NI is more important than Brexit.

That is incorrect. They did not vote leave because they thought that it is a nice sounding word, they voted for a result. For some it was for the economic miracle that was promised by the more bare faced liars, some voted to leave to "get rid of the foriegners", for others it would be because they still believe in queen and country and all that. However we look at it, they did not just vote to leave for the sake of leaving. Now reality is striking home - what they were promised is unlikely to be the result and they're unhappy. But is done and so be it but please don't insult these people by saying that they voted leave for no good reason. They had reasons for voting leave, right or wrong.

So their opinion and vote is less relevant because they're young? Is it a case of "it may be their future but I know better because I'm older"? It was their future that we all meddled with, I feel that they were cheated.

I love it when the great and good keep falling back on this to justify their position in interviews. What are we going to trade!!!!!! We manufacture very little, the city is ready to up sticks to Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and Dublin, agriculture cannot keep up with British demand and so on. There is little enough to trade at the moment, let alone after the car manufacturers and the city have gone.
And why will Australia, New Zealand, Canada et al suddenly start buying expensive British goods instead of cheaper Chinese, Japanese, American, Korean goods as they already do? Not one person has offered a sound explanation for that one yet.

But it is arrogant to expect to retain the benefits of the club for free after leaving isn't it? We want to take but we appear to have no wish to give.

Just my thoughts, not intended to be confrontational.

 

So you are asking for a Postexit vote

 

Yes, it's perfectley captured the very essence of Brexit.

Financial Stability Board? (Mark Carney, supporter of 'project fear' is their Chair).

Or Fasten Seat Belts

 

Well my final say is, I voted out, I voted out back when Ted Heath Dragged us in, and I'll always vote out.
I dont like the system I don't like the protectionism, I dont like where it is going, but it seems these days if you dont want to be in the EU, Europe don't want to know you.

Well my thoughts are, would have been nice to part friendly, but that is up to them, they have used our indecision to their gain, and well done all those remainers in the house of commons.
A job well done.
A*s*eholes.

 

I know that I'm in the minority here and fighting a losing battle but as long as it all remains good natured I'm happy to carry on until one day I log on to find @pete has posted these legendary words.......................

"you were right, I wish that I'd voted remain"

 

I've been around long enough to know that the little bloke never wins, it's only those up top that can win or lose, and they call the shots, until some prat makes the mistake of calling a referendum, thinking he knows which way it will go, and underestimating public feeling.
Then those "up top" set about derailing that referendum, as the little bloke who was allowed to vote is really far too stupid to understand, and needs to be patronised.

So there you go, we get the total cock up that we have now.

I'm convinced we wont be leaving by anything other than name, the worst of both worlds is my guess.

 

The conservatives have made two big mistakes, first they thought the referendum would be to remain, that came as a bit of a shock to Cameron, so he bottled out and disappeared into obscurity.
Then along comes May and she calls an election? gets it totally wrong .

The next big miss assumption from the Tories will be good old Jeremy, they underestimate him, he is actually becoming electable.
God help us.

 

At the time of entry to the EEC I was in my teens but fully aware of what it entailed. Back then I didn't agree with it knowing what would possibly come in the future. Since then until the Brexit vote there has been gradual domination of the UK by the EU and that will continue if we remain, to the point where I believe, the UK will have no independence at all. Unfortunately I was living on the Isle of Man when the Brexit referendum was put to the nation so I was not entitled to a vote.

Our youngsters can build those relationships without the EU and would be allowed to think for themselves without the strings attached that are being pulled right now.

These are not arrogant demands on the UK's part, but trying to find some middle ground on which the EU will agree. The EU is hell bent, because of it's want of continued dominance of our nation, to find obstacles to put in our way. They also know that when we leave there's a possibility that the EU will collapse. When the results of our referendum became known to the other member nations some suggested that they would follow our lead. Even at this time they are watching and waiting for the outcome. This in turn proves we are not the only country that is unhappy as a member of the EU.

A reminder of what's gone before, some interesting points here.....

BBC News - A timeline of the EU

Another quote below that I've picked up on.....

"Membership applications by the UK to join the EEC were refused in 1963 and 1967 because the French President of the time Charles De Gaulle doubted the UK's political will".

"It is understood, however, his real fear was that English would suddenly become the common language of the community".

This suggests that even at the start of negotiations to enter the EEC the UK was having doubts about entrance. The second quote was definitely biased, again proving the "uncomfortable" relationship between the UK and France.

 

And you have to watch the Quite one's, i may not be able to run but i can wait!!