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We're Making a Wildlife Pond

Discussion in 'Water Gardening' started by Redwing, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. Redwing

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    That looks fantastic @CraigET ! Is the pipe under the jetty to let water in or out? Wonderful that you've planted wildflowers in the grass. Probably they will take awhile to establish. I bet you can't wait for next summer.
     
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    It’s for overflow yes, I’m not too worried about the wildflower seed as next to the pond is a large wild flower meadow so will blend in soon enough. Unfortunately I don’t have any pics from this year though. I’ll pop some up when the bulbs come through and again In Summer
     
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      I have a dilemma. When we first made our wildlife pond I was very clear that it should be a wildlife pond with the primary aim of encouraging more birds. I’m a birder and I want to do more to help wildlife, especially birds, into my little patch. To this end I thought it would not be right to introduce fish. My thinking was that if fish were to arrive naturally, say fish eggs on birds feet that would be ok, provided they were native species.

      I did not expect a Kingfisher to turn up a year after making the pond but that is what happened yesterday, to my great delight. Herein lies my dilemma. Of course I want her, and it was a female, to come back. I am now wondering about introducing some sticklebacks to our pond. What do you think, G C friends? Should I or shouldn’t I? Another small native piscatorial species perhaps?
       
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        Well, as a long term coarse angler, I've found that introducing "silver" such as Roach or Rudd will result in small shoals over time and that would provide a food source for the King Fishers, present and future. Stickle Backs I don't think would proliferate enough to keep the King Fishers happy:dunno:
        Gudgeon would also thrive in the pond and, although bottom feeders, would also inhabit the shallows of the banks and marginals so also might be a attraction for them.:coffee::snorky:
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        Aren’t rudd and roach a bit too big for Kingfishers?
         
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          No, absolutely not. Rudd and Roach are regarded by us Anglers as "bits" and, in shoals, they can be caught in sizes of half and ounce up to around 8 ounces. Some Rudd and Roach I have caught have been smaller than the bait on the hook:doh: The potential size of fish is dictated by the volume of water and, most importantly, how much food is in the pond, so don't feed the fish!! The natural wild ponds I have fished over the years have always been full of shoals of really small Rudd and Roach because food is scarce. Commercial Fisheries where I sometimes fish are different in that Anglers put ground bait in and also feed the fish with other attractives and they can put on weight quickly, although not many Fisheries stock Rudd or Roach these days as they will get to the bait before the bigger species and Anglers don't like catching tiny fish all day long.:dunno::heehee: So you would have no worries about Roach or Rudd getting too big for King Fishers to handle and, don't forget if you have fish in the pond, then the Heron will be along soon to "inspect" your pond:coffee::snorky:
           
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            Just in case you do introduce some Rudd and/or Roach, Redwing. Roach will operate from the bottom of the pond, the mid level and the surface, while Rudd like the surface and top level.:snorky:
             
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              I have been giving this more thought over the past week. I was taken aback by the Kingfisher visit and want to encourage her to come back. When we first made the pond I followed the current prevailing advice of not introducing amphibian spawn. Apparently there is a serious amphibian disease now that is spread by moving spawn from pond to pond and it is best to allow them to arrive naturally. I’ve seen a few toads but no frogs or newts and no amphibians bred this year. I think the toads were eaten by a Grey Heron.

              I’m now thinking that I’ll wait till spring and if no amphibians spawn I’ll get some sticklebacks or Rudd. Further comments appreciated.
               
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              Stickleback will do little really for the pond albeit useful as a source of food but you would need sufficient numbers to keep the King Fisher coming back. Rudd and Roach are ideal for a food source as they proliferate fairly fast, given the chance, into shoals of small fish, while the larger ones tend to be partly solitary.:dunno::snorky:
               
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              That’s what I want! I’m concerned that Rudd, which I admit are pretty, will get too big for the Kingfisher. I’ve done some research and learned that 8cm is the biggest Kingfishers can manage. Also learned that they feed on larger aquatic invertebrates as well. She was back again today and finding something to eat. I’m sooo pleased. Thanks for your input and suggestions @ARMANDII .
               
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              Well, I really don't think you need to worry about Rudd or Roach on a "natural" pond that is not fed growing into big fish. I have, as an Angler for 50 years, fished on several hundred different lakes and ponds and have sometimes spent all day catching "Tiddlers" in their hundreds when I wanted bigger fish.:dunno::gaah:
              Due to the scarce food source for the fish on a unfed lake or pond Roach and Rudd develop into large shoals of tiny fish which in good water you can see moving in dark "clouds" just under the surface of the water. They spawn easily and, if there are no aquatic predators, will produce thousands of Fry in a year. Large Rudd and Roach only appear on lakes and ponds where Angler are fishing and throwing in ground bait, using high protein baits on the hook (Rudd and Roach love Maggots!), and where at the end of the day Anglers tend to throw their remaining bait into the water rather than take it home. Rudd will feed voraciously in shoals in the early morning taking insects off the surface of the water, and then come back every few hours or so. Roach will usually feed through the day at all levels. To be honest, I think a mixture of Rudd and Roach will give you a balance in the pond while also giving the Kingfishers a food source.
              I spend one year fishing the River Welland in Rutland where a large exposed tree root protruded out of the bank above my head with a Kingfishers nesting hole just below it. I had the fantastic experience of seeing the Kingfishers coming back from catching fish, sitting on the tree root waiting for me to sit still, and then diving into the hole to feed their chicks which I could hear chittering away.:coffee::snorky:
               
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                I see this thread has been made into a sticky; that’s nice.

                Some news today: frogspawn has appeared overnight. I’m very pleased. Readers will know we didn’t have any last spring, the ponds first spring. I’ll be keeping a close eye on it. The stickleback suggestion is now on hold and probably will not be happening.
                 
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                  Perhaps even more pleased perhaps if this happens …

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                  I've been at my local reserve numerous times recently, but no sightings of Kingfishers, despite timing my visits to coincide with the times when the shoals of small Rudd are basking on the surface in front of the hide.

                  But they are what attract the Kingfishers, and what I'd suggest stocking your pond with.


                  P.S. I was at a pond on a local nature reserve on Tuesday, when somebody thought they'd seen a newt, but I thought it would require some rain (which has happened) before they (and other amphibians) arrived for spawning.
                   
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                    It’s all part of nature and having a balance. It’s fine by me if the Kingfishers take some tadpoles....or Rudd or whatever. Right now there isn’t yet a balance in our pond. Hopefully this next growing season will help remedy that. There is a stream about 200 m from our pond so there are definitely Kingfishers about and the occasional visit by one to the pond is a big bonus....but I m still pleased to have the amphibians.

                    A problem at the moment is the blanket weed that is taking a hold.
                     
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                    Update

                    After believing the frogspawn had been eaten by Mallards, I was surprised a few days ago to find the spent frogspawn washed up on the beach, a big clump of it, each egg with a hole in it made by the emerging tadpoles. Good news. Evidently the eggs had sunk out of sight. I’ve seen only one so far but there are many hiding places for tiny tadpoles.

                    Birds continue to drink from the edges of the pond. This is one of my biggest delights.

                    I’m going to order some more plants having realised I didn’t plant enough last year. Will stick to native species. Blanket weed is a problem and I net some out most days so it doesn’t become overwhelming.

                    I’ll post some pictures once plant growth becomes more apparent.
                     
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