a bit of advice on my soil.

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  1. vectra

    vectra Apprentice Gardener

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    hello everybody,
    just want to prick your brain's about my back garden soil
    i started growing veg, 2 years ago, first time, hated gardening and wanted
    a fish pond, but surprise surprise had a lovely little boy instead (lewis)
    anyway had to stop smoking, drinking,(binge)start washing up, cooking,
    babysitting, "bloody love it" not my food though lol, ok back on track
    2007 dug my garden over in about jan/feb got loads of horse manure
    covered about 3 inch's, and grew some veg so so u know, last year 2008
    dug it over again jan, (by the way know i should do it before crimbo, but busy
    doing everything in this flipping house lol) got at least 30 bag's of horsessmanure
    at least 4inch on top of my soil, then dug that in about mid march,
    now with all this going about the infected/diseased manure, i feel it would be
    safer to fill my compost bin with it and let it break down till next year,
    but has my soil got enough nutrient's left in in for this year, plus a good half of
    a compost bin of my very first compost from last year::old:
     
  2. JWK

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    Did you actually grow any veg last year following spreading the horse manure? If you did and they were OK then I wouldn't worry.

    I'm not exactly sure what you are refering to when you say "infected/diseased manure". There have been issues with contaminated compost over the last couple of years, a new very persistant weedkiller has found its way into a small percentage of manure/compost supplies. I was one of the unlucky ones last years who had some, and it does devastate your veg - you would have know if you had it. There are hotspots in the UK, here in Surrey some of us were badly hit whilst next door neighbours were OK - just depends which supplier/farmer it originated from.

    Anyway you did the right thing in spreading your horse manure and digging in, the bacteria in the soil will break the weedkiller down, although no-one is sure how long it takes we are hopeful this year it should be mostly gone - I'm certainly going to grow some more veg in my affected veg plot this year.

    The govt advice is to mix the compost into your soil as best you can (they say with a rotovator if you've got one, I haven't so I just use a spade/fork) - go over your patch in March when the soil warms up a bit and thoroughly mix the compost into the soil as deep as you can. I reckon you wan't have any problems and your manure will do the world of good to your plot. Good luck!
     
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    PS: If you move the manure to a compost bin the weedkiller will not break down and you are just delaying the problem to another year - so don't do that. I would add growmore or similar to your soil when planting veg anyway - depends what veg you are growing but most will benefit.

    Use your new compost by all means - that sounds good stuff :gnthb:
     
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    John's right :thmb:. If your veggies grew OK last year then you shouldn't have any trouble this year. Most veggies are pretty hardy and will grow in most conditions. As long as the soil doesn't get too compacted or too dry they will do well. Dig the ground, keep them watered and you can sit back and relax :yho:

    If your soil is OK and you are able to make your own compost (as you appear to be) then spreading the compost should be good enough each year. An occasional top up with manure would help but is not essential and the manure problem you heard about has generally been sorted out. The suppliers that had the problem have been quite good about getting it sorted.

    Good luck, and enjoy your gardening :D
     
  5. vectra

    vectra Apprentice Gardener

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    thankyou both very much for your advice,:gnthb:
    will go to the stable's this week and get some manure
    and get set for spring, i did manage some sweetcorn,cabbage,
    onion's/garlic, carrot's, etc last year, oh and spud's as well,
    so once again many thank's, it's nice to get a bit of reasurance,
    kevin.:thumb:
     
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    If you get the manure direct from a farm, and are worried about that nasty residual weedkiller problem, why not just ask the farmer what, if any, weedkiller he uses on his land. If it is the dodgey one, then just walk away. Here is an article on the RHS website about the problem:

    http://www.rhs.org.uk/news/weedkiller-manure.asp
     
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    Kevin, if you are going to get some more manure, I would double check with the stables where they got their hay from. Ask if the farmer used a spray called Forefront made by Dow Chemicals Inc (this contains the nasty chemical aminopyralid) which was responsible for all our problems last year. We got it banned around August last year, but its very persistant so anything sprayed last year would not be worth taking the risk.
     
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    "last year 2008 dug it over again jan, (by the way know i should do it before crimbo"

    How about making raised beds - then you won't ever(-ish!!) have to dig it again ...

    "will go to the stable's this week and get some manure"

    As others have said, ask the owner about aminopyralid.

    Note that they may have bought in fodder/hay, and so it is important that they known that none of the fodder/hay was from fields treated with the aminopyralid herbicide.

    If there is any doubt just stack the manure, on its own, and leave it for a year or more. I believe the best test is to then use it as potting compost for tomato plant seedlings, as they should react (i.e. curl up their toes!!) pretty quickly if there are still traces of aminopyralid.
     
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    will do everybody, thank's again
     
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