Environ-MENTALISTS??

@shiney I remember from my trip there that they were running petrol engined cars on pure alcohol, but not diesels. In this case, I am not referring to biodiesel. Correct me though if I am mistaken, as I am unsure.

 

Imagine the administration overhead, let alone the confusion from customers if co-op and any other non plastic bag suppliers were to be exempt from the charge. Manufacturing a bag that will be disposed of still takes resources and energy to create. Its at odds with the idea of a circular economy.

Its a total mindset change needed from manufacturers and consumers. Move away from the disposable mindset that we currently have, towards one of repair and reuse. Building in reparability and longevity into products will come at a cost. Unfortunately we are too focussed on the cost of an item rather than the cost over its lifespan.

 

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How many things do we tax though? As the plastic bag tax has shown, it has only reduced the use of plastic bags - it hasn't eliminated it. Yet, the answer is available in the form of those compostable bags.


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That is true but it all helps. We all have to work at it, it will not happen overnight or next month. Those starch bags are surely one of the the answers and the supermarkets have been way too slow to introduce them. In my area, the only supermarket who seems to be making an effort is Morrison’s so I shop there in preference, but it does mean a longer drive......which implies other problems.

As an aside, I do a lot of voluntary work for a conservation organisation. It’s been decided that all future mailings to members will use the starch packaging but it is more expensive now. Hopefully this wil change as more organisations adopt this usage and demand grows. We’ve only got one planet and we’re ruining it. Everyone and that means everyone has to change. Do as much as you can because some people won’t do anything to change their ways.

 

@Redwing even if my views tend to differ with most on a lot of points, you do actually touch on something that I have been thinking of for a while. I grew up in a small village, the "high street" of which was about a quarter mile long. Back then, it wasnt a question of taking the car to the shops, we walked. All we needed for our daily lives was on that High Street. 5 grocery shops, a butchers, the pub, two clubs, a cobblers to name but a few. In total, there were 14 businesses. The advent of supermarkets brought an end to all of them, as well as being forced to drive several miles. I do wonder how much pollution that has caused, as well as associated health problems as nobody seems to walk anywhere anymore!

 

@shiney theres no need to go to any trouble. I only brought it up in reference to the fact that vehicles with diesel engines are being unjustly judged due to ignorance, as well as to strengthen the fact that has been stated a few times. Pollution control is just another way to screw the public for taxes.

 

And they just rip out more and more rainforest in order to produce Bio fuel, Bio fuel is on a par with palm oil.
IMO.
Whatever you do there is a downside, you get nothing for nothing.
I dont agree with land fill by any means but I cant think of any form of recycling that doesn't have a down side, even composting causes greenhouse gasses.
Processing plastics uses energy.

The governments have got it made, thanks to the scientist, Tax tax tax.
My body produces methane and carbon dioxide, its part of the living process.
Now, when we are all dead that will stop, once the decomposition has taken place, so the sooner we are wiped off the plant the better the planet will be.

 

Reduction in plastic pollution being proposed today. Its after the horse has bolted and hardly aggressive target dates but its a start

Draft Law Calls For Statutory Long-Term Target To Cut Plastic Pollution

 

2042! Surely we/they can do better than that!!!!!!!

 

That will still be well before the England cricket team!