Who believes Trump?

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    I would have thought the most powerful country in the world would have been able to count votes much faster than they appears to be doing so.
    I find it weird and although I dont really think anything underhand is going on, perhaps, I think an explanation of why it is taking so long in some places needs looking into.

    The longer it goes on the more it is going to stink.
     
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      Some States hold back on revealing their count such as Pennsylvania who are often biased towards one political party, either democrat or republican. They usually reveal when they see which way the over all vote is going.
       
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        You know what the truly depressing thing is? The fact that the only report I've seen on the "underhand stuff" that seemed truly impartial (from a Canadian Classical Liberal) has disappeared from YouTube. Yes, most of the corruption appears to be coming from Dem supporters but it is by no means exclusive to them, there were 2-3 incidents involving Republicans. But now I can't share this evidence because it has vanished, these companies need to decide whether they are publishers who can edit or remove what appears on their media or largely passive platformers. None of this information should be removed from public view unless it includes threats of violence or incitement to it.

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          That in itself sounds dodgy to me, you need to ask yourself why they would do that, and if they are it should be illegal if nothing underhand is going on.

          They accuse Trump of stirring unrest, but to me that approach stinks of incitement to riot.
           
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            We think what goes on here politically can be dodgy. What goes on in America is far, far worse. What happens there is not about Trump or Biden or whoever has stood down the years, but the underhand battles between the Republican and Democrat parties in the Senate.
             
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              I have seen footage on Twitter that is horrifying to be honest - election officials admitting that they told people to use sharpies (which apparently spoil ballots), ballots going in the bin, one guy who died in 1984 voting (Democrat of course), a box of postal votes discovered overnight and 100% of which were all for Biden, observation windows on counting rooms being covered over and so on......

              So much corruption, it simply cannot be fairly won by either side.
               
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                Maybe Twitter and Youtube are not the best source for "evidence" and "proofs". If you do use them as reference, you may as well look at Flat Earth and the Moon Landing Hoax. There are a lot of toxic conspiracy posters on social media
                 
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                  I just cant get past Trump telling people to drink/inject bleach to cure Covid. That to me says it all really
                  Got to the point now when I cant even listen to his voice anymore. Its making my skin crawl
                   
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                    Ah, the old 'if it is on Twitter its not true' thing... well, yes there are a lot of toxic conspiracy posters on social media, and you do have to have a filter and you do have to understand that context is everything - however, the same can be said of the likes of Sky and BBC and I have proven on here before with a before and after cut of David Cameron being interviewed by the BBC how they completely changed the context and message of what he said by creative editing. Furthermore, many media outlets not only post on social media but use it as a source of news themselves.

                    To simply deny or dismiss something as being 'fake' just because it is on social media is naive in the modern world - regardless the source of 'news' nowadays, you have to stop and ask questions.
                     
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                      Oh, there is no doubt in the world that the guy is a first class idiot. My comments here are in no way coming out in support purely of Trump. Biden is also a first class idiot as well - the guy can barely string a sentence together at times - if he is the best of the best in terms of the Democrats, then God help all of us. Therein lies the problem with modern politics - Boris is an utter buffoon and would almost certainly not have been the person that anyone would have gone out and said "yeah, I want to trust him with the keys to the country"... but, who was the alternative? Magic Grandpa. I've voted Labour all my life, but there was no way in hell I could vote for Corbyn - and if he was the best of the best that Labour has to offer, then no wonder they got a drubbing.
                       
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                        Admittedly he did mention disinfectant when he turned to one of his medical advisers in that speech .

                        But again the media ,social and mainstream , have made the most of it by quoting he had blatantly told the public to drink bleach when in fact he was asking the advisor from a lay mans point of view if there was something similar they could do.
                         
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                          Media outlets are the scum of the earth as far as I am concerned. Bankers, lawyers, journalists and estate agents, all of a similar level.
                           
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                            Hints of Hitchhikers Guide and the Golgafrinchan spaceship Ark Fleet Ship B. :roflol:
                             
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                              Are joiners ok?:dunno::roflol:
                               
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                                Oh aye - way higher up the scale than bankers. Plumbers can be a bit dodgy mind ;) :biggrin:
                                 
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