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Well if nothing else we are getting educated on here. Thank you all. I don't know enough to comment really but I appreciate reading all your views.

cheers

 

"It is also the method used by the US when they illegally Invaded iraq; why else was the mission called 'Shock and Awe' if not to make the population afraid of US forces?"

It was revenge, purely and simply, and when embarking on a campaign of revenge it is wise to dig two graves, or so someone famous once said.

 

It was unlikely to be revenge as Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th, but more likely an attempt by the US to install a client leader in Iraq and thus to control more of the middle east oil supply. It was only when Saddam was about to make an oil deal with China that he suddenly became a threat to the US, up until that point he was 'contained within his borders'. September 11th was cynically used by the Bush administration as the excuse to invade Iraq.

 

And Blair was gullable enough to be strung along

 

Having read this thread and enjoyed it I am going to go back to the issue of America and it's reluctance to get involvolved in conflict if there is nothing in it for them and only sticking their warmongering oar in if their precious oil is under threat. If any of you get the chance to read the books about globalisation written by John Pilger then do so,eye opening stuff.

 

Sadly true Paul, and we will pay for it in money and lost lives not to mention our moral standing in the world. I still have hopes that one day Bush and Blair will be held accountable, and that justice will be seen to be done and that honour can be restored to the concept of democracy - sadly now a dirty word in most of the middle east as it is associated with aggressiion and deceit.

 

And look back at history. The US isolationist attitude after WW1 had a huge impact on Europe and the road to WW2-if the US had played a greater role in President Wilson's 14 points and become a member of the League of Nations, appeasement might well not have taken place and thus war.

And I totally agree that Blair should be held to account for his role in the attack on Iraq. To think he has been appointed Middle East Peace Envoy is frankly incredible, seeing as he was jointly to blame (along with thicky Bush) for the fiasco we have there now. Apart from earning a small fortune now in speeches etc, what has he actually done since he got this "job"?

 

Tony Blair knew full well what the situation was, I was ( rather clumsily I must admit) attempting to refer more as to the minds of the public on the revenge front.


At that point ALL Muslims were the perceived enemy, and I believe Bush linked the September 11th attacks with the illegal war on Iraq when he invented the phrase "War on Terror" and then sat back rubbing his hands together whilst the media did the rest.

Frightening when Bush has the IQ of a squashed gnat. This is the leader of the Western world, he wasn`t about to allow a simple thing like the truth stand in his way. I am sure I have seen something on youtube-he was being questioned over some capital cities and the like and he couldn`t answer a single one-Clown!!

To be honest though, I am able to say the above publicly because of the personal freedoms enjoyed in the west, so I have to give some credit-I`m sure Blair or Bush don`t deserve any of my gratitude though.


Are you ex service Blackthorn? I am sorry if you have already said so-I must have missed it somewhere.

 

I nearly fell of my chair when I found that out, what prat put him in that position-talk about red rag to a bull.

 

Goodness me no Claire, far from it, just take an interest really.

I did go on the London march to try and stop the Iraq war as I knew it would was wrong from the start. I have a strong belief that force of arms will rarely bring the desired outcomes that the politicians would have us believe. For instance, nuclear weapons will not protect us from terrorism.

I am also highly sceptical about this whole 'war on terrorism'. It seems to me that goverments are doing the terroists job for them by keeping us constantly in fear, which then enables them to push through laws which attack the very freedoms and liberties that we are supposed to be defending.
It also gives them an excuse to label or even attack any country as 'Supporters of terrorist organisations' and belonging to the 'axis of evil'.

Al Qaida loosley translated means 'The club' and it was originally formed, trained and armed by the CIA as an insurgent group to fight the Russians in Afghanistan - Bin Laden was one of the leaders. Bin Laden fell out with the west when the US created air bases in Saudi Arabia, which he sees as an affront, and the continuing support by the US of the Saudi Royal family. He has sworn to fight against the US and it's allies until Saudi Arabia is free of US influence. The British government back the US in this of course.

Bin Laden would likely love to then install a fudamentalist Islamic regime in Saudi Arabia, and we've all seen what that is like, and our oil supplies would be less secure. However, I think that governments should come clean about where the terrorist threat is really coming from and why. I think they would rather have Bin Laden as some mad bogey man out to 'destroy our way of life' when we have done nothing at all to deserve it.

 

Well said Blackthorn. You didn't query if Bin Laden is still alive though.

 

Well Aaron, I think Bin laden lives on Airforce One and is wheeled out whenever Bush wants to frighten everybody! :D :D :D

 

George Bush:

"There is still an enemy out there that would like to inflict damage on America"

Surely that enemy is America itself.