Who believes Trump?

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  1. ARMANDII

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    Age is irrelevant:wallbanging: and, as usual, a target and distraction:dunno:, when in fact it's all about the personality and character that people are born with. Meglomania, narcissism, pathological liar, irretrievably self centred, over bearing and arrogance does not automatically equate with age:wallbanging::old:......well, it might in my and Trump's case but, normally, it's there, latent, at birth. :cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
     
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      I agree, there are rumours of Bidens health, and he does look frail. But jolly old boys club is right IMO, I wonder if the likes of Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice will be in the news, hoping everyone forgot about them telling lies to the UN, to push forward US agendas, look out Iran.
       
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        Nar, its an age thing, I'm 50, and its happening to me, I mean I get you and FC mixed up, and I tend to enjoy a number two's nowdays (gives me time to read ), and as the song goes "when it takes you all night, to do what you used to do all night), what was we talking about?
         
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          Sorry, but it isn't - I am 44 and I am becoming more of a grumpy old man by the day. Yes, older folks have a vast amount of experience and a hell of a lot to give, but bluntly Biden can barely string a sentence together at times, seems to be really quite frail as well, and whereas Trump was always a complete idiot, when you compare footage of him from circa 20 years ago to now, it is clear that age has had an effect.

          I am not for one moment decrying the abilities of the more senior folks of this world, but age has an effect, like it or not. There is a reason that you have to have medicals to retain your driving licence over a certain age, and for that same reason you very rarely see someone get much beyond their early 70's who are allowed to drive a bus or a coach - - yet it is OK for someone of that age to run a country?
           
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            Good morning well I am knocking on a bit but I am definitely getting younger Mrs Woos is always telling me to grow up/act your age:heehee: I can still walk as far I used to ,still think every day is a bonus and I will always see the best in people,the only time I think of my age is when everyone keeps reminding of it:heehee:anyway I shall get down off of my soapbox now.enjoy your day and stay safe and keep smiling:smile:
             
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              Well said @wiseowl - from another in their second childhood. :heehee:

              Life's a bowl of cherries. :blue thumb: Now what is that saying supposed to mean? :scratch: Although I really do like cherries. :biggrin:
               
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                I think anyone would look tired/frail after the gruelling campaigns, but did anyone know this, from Wikipedia ...

                "Brain surgeries
                In February 1988, after several episodes of increasingly severe neck pain, Biden was taken by ambulance to Walter Reed Army Medical Center for surgery to correct a leaking intracranial berry aneurysm.[92][93] While recuperating he suffered a pulmonary embolism, a serious complication.[93]

                After a second aneurysm was surgically repaired in May,[93][94] Biden's recuperation kept him away from the Senate for seven months.[95]"
                 
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                  Trump has done a great deal of damage but it is to be expected that some will find certain reasons to defend him - in fact, possibly the most eloquent defence I've read of Trump was from a Democrat supporting liberal US journalist laying out some of the progressive policies he had put through, which received barely any coverage. I don't believe his entire term in office was a disaster and I don't believe he is an evil man, nor do I entertain any hopes of karma or revenge, I just think he chose to align himself with some of the most distasteful elements in American society and to embody a particularly simplistic and regressive set of attitudes that gave comfort to xenophobes and thugs. While I'm well aware he had support among black and Hispanic voters, it is also true that racists felt enabled by his rhetoric, and I've seen and read some truly horrendous instances of people being subjected to abuse in the name of "MAGA", and made to feel they were not welcome in the country of their birth. I think rather than any spectacular downfall, a period of dignified reflection would be appropriate, and perhaps he would emerge from it as a better person, now that he too has experienced rejection. But I know the chances of this happening are extremely unlikely.
                   
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                  Well, I have to disagree, FC. I've watched several Presidents speaking on the Media over the years, with possibly Obama being the most articulate, and all of what ever age have stumbled over words in speeches.
                  We all stumble over words at times but that is a natural and human thing to do. But there does seem to be a tendency to seek and attack, expand and exaggerate weaknesses in public figures as the only viable method of undermining a person's credibility, why???.........because it's the easiest thing to do and requires only the effort of forgetting our own frailties, momentary inability to frame a word or a thought whatever our age and not looking in our own personal Mirror. We all get old and slower physically but not all automatically get slower mentally but, again, ageism is the obvious and easy target used by many disagreeing or disliking a person whether private or public
                   
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                  I agree he made some positive moves on the world stage. I don't know what you mean about the "Muslim ban" being introduced by Obama, though FACT CHECK: Did President Obama Ban Muslims from Entering the United States in 2011?

                  The stuff on child separations post-arrest is also more complex, and the allegation that Obama initiated this policy appears to be entirely false Did President Obama Oversee the Separation of 89,000 Children from Their Parents?
                   
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                  One doesn't just align oneself with those elements because they are a good, simple person:doh: They align themselves with those organisations because they believe, to a degree, in them and can also use them for their own ends.........which is not the actions of a good man.
                   
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                  How so? He made a lot of the usual Trump threats and promises telling the World how he was going to make a great deal with Kim and solve the situation and what happened........absolutely nothing. All we got was bragging about how Kim loved Trump but absolutely nothing else, no easing of the Missile testing, nuclear propagation and sabre rattling:wallbanging: Did we/have we heard anything after Trump realised he was going nowhere with Kim.....No:dunno: Is the situation any better with North Korea........no, it's worse. Well, that really was a "bob on" job that Trump did with Kim, wasn't it?!:doh:
                   
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                  I wouldn't count on anything snopes web site as being factually correct, its a very liberal site, that does not mind taking bungs from George Soros or Hilary Clinton.
                   
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                    Well he is no longer threatening fire and brimstone against western countries, after being exposed as little rocket man, and yes there has been a few test launches, but not as many as before, and tensions have eased between the north and south Korea in the fact they are not comunicating, which can only be a good thing, as the sabre rattling has stopped. But yes I agree itsca temp thing.
                     
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                      Ok, I'll take a look elsewhere and in addition. Can you expand on the "bungs"? I can't find any reference to funding from Hilary Clinton, and I wouldn't regard that as evidence of anything dodgy, and as for Soros, while I do not tend to agree with his political views I'm not aware of him being regarded as a crooked or dubious individual (other than by conspiracy theorists). In fact, as far as I'm aware he has been something of a major donor to philanthropic and educational causes.
                       
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