Jacqueline du Pre

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  1. groundbeetle

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    I have a Jacqueline du Pre rose, which I bought last spring and it flowered very well and now has some pretty, large orange hips. I am just wondering what its habit is supposed to be, as its branches seem floppy, rather than growing to any height they just flop over, and I have used some smallish trellises to support them.

    Is it supposed to be a climber? Can it be trained like a climber so its branches are supported?

    It is very similar in both flowers and hips to another rose that I bought called Starlight Symphony, which is sold as a climber. Both Jacqueline du Pre and Starlight Symphony are from the same breeder. I am guessing they have some similar ancestry and maybe both have as an ancestor Rosa pimpinellifolia, the burnet rose, otherwise known as Rosa spinosissima?

    Another rose variety I have had for a few years is beautifully self-supporting, doesn't need any staking or tying and grows to a good four feet tall.

    Jacqueline du Pre is a nice rose and I don't regret buying it, but I am wondering if it is being discontinued due to its poor posture and floppiness? Otherwise, I am wondering how to deal with it regarding supports, and do I treat it like a climber?
     
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    Good afternoon @groundbeetle my friend I would say that Jacqueline du Pre is not a climber but I will double check my data base for you a lot of Harkness Roses do have heavy blooms and thin canes in fact my favourite "Ena Harkness" Rose is well known for being top heavy let me get back to you and I shall find out as much as I can for you:smile:

    Jacqueline du Pre
    Hybrid Spinosissima, Shrub. White or white blend. Strong, lemon, musk fragrance. Large, single to semi-double, cupped bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season. Height of 4' 5" to 6' (135 to 185 cm). Width of 30" to 5' (75 to 150 cm). Harkness (1986).

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    Starlight Symphony
    Height: up to 8'2" (up to 250cm). Width: up to 6'7" (up to 200cm).
    Bred by Harkness(United Kingdom, before 2018).
    Climber.
    White, blush shading, pink stamens. Mild, spice fragrance. Semi-double (9-16 petals), cluster-flowered bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
    Climbing.

    Height: up to 8'2" (up to 250cm). Width: up to 6'7" (up to 200cm).
     
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      Good evening @groundbeetle its definitely a shrub Rose named after Jacqueline du Pre the brilliant British Cellist who tragically died at the age of 42 :sad:

      Unforunately it hasn't got a good reputation anywhere in the world the blooms are magnificent but the canes are to thin to support them:smile:

      This is just one Rose experts oppinion
      I was warned that this rose was a duffer but naturally, ignored advice. What's more, because I so wanted this rose to do well - local breeder, specially selected by Mr.Camp (and being obstinate and mutinous), I ignored the evidence of my eyes for several years. However, it sits in the same bed as my other main rubbish rose, Phillippa, and the twin horror of their naked skanky canes dictates harsh actions....unless someone can persuade me that there is hope. While I will go the extra mile for a plant sufficiently desirable or needy, I have found that some of them are just innately hopeless and no loving attention, food, water or even (gasp) spraying can overcome the essential rubbishness of such plants.....and I am beginning to suspect the JdP is such a fail. So.....is yours a shy bloomer, fragile, requiring the merest raindrop to collapse feebly, limp petalled, graceless in death, defoliated, tall and gangly with severe die-back issues (true, there are a few ethereally lovely blooms for 5 minutes in mid-June but..

      I do hope that this has been some help to you:smile:
       
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        @wiseowl, thanks for this information, so it isn't just me. The flowers are beautiful and I got a huge flush of them in summer, followed by a lot of bright orange hips. The hips aren't as good as those on Starlight Symphony, which are much cleaner, bigger and brighter.

        At the moment I am using two of those two pound Poundland smallish black metal trellises to prop it up so it doesn't flop around everywhere, but no way does it stand up height-wise, it just flops. The flowers themselves don't droop, it is more the whole branches rather than the flower necks that are weak. I don't think the branches are long enough to train as a climber though.

        I don't think I will bother trying to grow its seeds. I will grow the seeds of Starlight Symphony though, as it is a pretty rose with healthy glossy dark green foliage and healthy large orange hips that look very decorative in autumn, and I need more climbers. Space is very limited and not enough to grow something that is likely to disappoint, as well as the time, patience and energy it takes.
         
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          The Jacqueline du Pre rose is still almost the earliest rose to flower, after the magenta single Rosa rugosa. Beautiful very pale pink, with nice perfume. And the ladybird larvae like it, they have been cleaning it for weeks.

          This morning I saw the first flower of the year on the Jacqueline du Pre.

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