How do we cope with climate change?

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  1. MartinHp71

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    Then from where do you think all the money for the Global Warming "initiatives" taken by governments come?
    There isn't a Global Warming Tax, as such, as people would refuse to pay it.
    Elements of it will be in everything we pay.
    A prime example? Wind farms, a totally inefficent and costly way to produce energy. You're contributing to it right now, or you will, next time you pay your "leccy" bill, it's built into it.
     
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    Hi Andrewh why not plant some Runners in March and then in June:)
     
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    Hmmm forgot .. Airport Tax

    Personally I am going to enjoy the good days we have and get out and doing the garden, complain about the days when I can't but enjoy the rest (like the last week or so here).
     
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    My wife continues to worry about World affairs, though not about climate change. I've never been a worrier... about anything. The best I can do is "show some concern." Especialy when nothing I do will make any difference.

    I actually object to sorting out all the rubbish into four different bins. I'm paying twice as much in council tax as I was less than ten years ago. I don't consider it to be my job. I think I'm paying someone to do it. The best I'll do is sort the paper from the land fill and put garden waste in the green bin. As for plastics and glass, I will put it in the bin, but whether it's "the right sort of plastic or not" I don't consider that it's my job to check, nor do I care. It all goes in including plastic plant pots and coathangers.
     
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    I wish you could recycle plastic plant pots! I seem to have hundreds of them - I think they breed and multiply.

    Oh, hang on...it's all the plants I buy - that's where they come from!
     
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    I can't say I have noticed any difference in the weather over the passed 40 odd years.
    Some good some bad.
    Different Winters and summers.
    Just a natural weather pattern with highs and lows.
    I think nature is far bigger than us .
    I wouldn't presume I could have an effect on something so vast.
    Yes it might change ,probably will but a natural progression that as been happening for millions of years.
    I'm convinced nature will adapt and find it's way.
    Most people around the world will not change their way of life, so why worry what happens happens. :)
     
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    Climate change is happening it is just not anthropogenic. Our influence on the rising temperatures of the world is negligible at best.

    We aren't changing the climate though, the Earth is changing it for us just as it has done since the dawn of time. Did you know that when the Vikings invaded Greenland they took the land to farm? That is just one example of how much hotter it was back then.
    It's no secret that the CRU have been simply making up their results. Last year, or possibly early this year, the Russians questioned the global temperature report saying that their findings didn't match their own. Funnily enough the Russian report matched that of everyone else.
    How about those emails that were leaked from the Climate Research Unit? The ones were they admitted to falsifying the information because they didn't get the results they wanted.
    Noticed that it's not called Global Warming any more and it's now called climate change? That's because global temperatures stopped going up in the late 90s and they don't know why. It goes against everything they've said that temperatures stopped going up even slightly despite constant pollution from man.

    Bottom line: The only people that can 'prove' climate change is anthropogenic (man-made) are the people who will stop being paid if they do disprove it. All the other independent researchers with nothing to gain either way have proved it to be false too many times already.
     
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    It's the same with "Coastal errosion"
    Why do those who say it's a problem forget that maps are just a "snapshot in time."
    Coastlines have been changing since time began, yes there are areas where "shock horror" houses are falling into the sea, just as there are what were once whole costal towns, that are now miles inland.
     
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    I have read many opinions by so called experts about climate change.
    Both for and against the idea we are causing it.
    And I must say it seems very split to me.
    I have an open mind about the changes ,although I do believe it's not us but a natural phenomenon.
    Scientists sometimes get it wrong .
    They seem to get a lot wrong.
    They can't even predict the weather 2 days in advance with any certainty .
    I'll just wait and see, best not to worry.
    Just another opinion
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-481613/Global-warming-Its-natural-say-experts.html
     
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    Have a read of that New Scientist link, Lyn.

    Alternative ideas that have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals are few and far between - and most have been systematically discredited by the scientific community.

    The idea that the science is "split" is one peddled by the interest groups - oil companies and the like - who actively fund and promote misinformation on climate change.

    "a recent poll found that 97.4% of active climatologists agree that human activity is warming the planet."
     
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    We could go on and on with this one.
    The only certain thing is no one really knows what will happen in the years to come and what the true cause or causes are, if any.
    We no it's happened before the proof is there.
    Long before cars and all the modern day living.
    Everyone as their own opinion and that's the way it should be.
    As I said earlier.
    Most people in the world will not change their lives to suit the scientists theories.
    How many times have we been told not to eat or do this or that then a few years later we are told, it's OK now.
    Best not to worry people until there is hard proof.
    I think the scientist's time and our money would be better spent finding a cure for Cancer and other equally terrible ailments.
    But that's just my opinion. :)
     
  14. andrewh

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    I'm not sure climatologists should be spending their time finding cures for cancer.

    The point is that there simply is no other explanation for the change we're seeing that stands up to scientific scrutiny. And scientists have looked long and hard for one, believe me!

    I'm not sure it's right that we should just make up our own opinion rather than listening to the science either - imagine if we did that with something like cancer, or medicine!

    Your general approach of "don't bother worrying about it" is one I kind of share, however. It'll be our kids and grandkids that suffer the worst, not us - we'll probably all be 6 feet under when it gets really bad.
     
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    I subscribe to this as well...with the added bonus that I don't have children (and therefore no grandchildren!) to leave any problems to or who will contribute to the current population explosion.
     
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