work for your benefits

I'm going to bed. We need a chat-room. Night-Night all. Sweet dreams

 

I Dont know Caj, Thats the Goverments Problem i think...

 

Caj, by exploring the reasons why they arent working.

 

Correct, first things first, no queue jumping to get council accom for pregnant single mothers for one. You go on a list and thats that. A queue is a queue-we are british after all.

I have ideas about single parent households but they are a bit jumbled but they would involve only getting money for the first child, and that perhaps hand in hand with a tax break for working. Two parent households then the WORKING father gets it but only whilst resident with the family.

Immigrants whilst waiting for a decisison should be able to work and with that pay tax.

Single unemployed people can get off their lazy and scrub the floors of the public toilets with their tongues and hair for all I care.

All smackheads get put inside and get left with enough to finish themselves off with. Radical and cold hearted but its the only way.

Those to ill to work, this is a very touchy one and the only one I can`t offer any suggestions on. Not a doctor you see

 

I am on benefits and I am not proud of this but I became ill. I loved my job and would've been much better off if I'd have been well and working. We could've paid our debts off and gone on hols, decorated the house etc. If I locumed I could earn £120 a day and I would feel rich now.

I had a medical and they failed me so I had to go to tribunal and I won. I am fed up having to fight (when I don't have the energy) to get what some people are getting but are not really ill and can do a lot more things than they tell the benefits people. I know a few people that can go and do lots of college courses but can't work. I would love to do some college courses but I am not well enough.

There's my rant over

 

LMRR, I agree with you. I am appealing at the moment. I tell you they have no idea when it comes to people like me & you, and no I haven't 'bummed' my whole life. I have been working since 16 , sometimes 2 jobs and even when I took a couple of years off to raise my son I had a couple of little part time jobs.

A few years ago a type of illness began that got worse & worse. I know damned well that if there wasn't this push by the gov't I would have passed this last medical. Mind you all this stress & hassle has not helped mine, or my husbands situations ,& I now have to just about care for him all the time. I would much prefer to have been working even part time. I love my husband but the housework you can forget it!

To me once again it seems to be just another un-thoughtout plan. Wait a few years and see what situation we will be in then.

And no I have no symathies with 'bummers', young girls& their lads that get pregant to avoid work or anyone else like that.

cheers

 

I claim working family tax credit, I work my ass off doing as many hours as possible and still trying to be a parent. I study part time too. I have to pay for my course, I pay full rent and I pay my own council tax (minus the single adult occupancy discount) I'm £40 a week better off apparently. Take out petrol, work dinners and school meals for my little one and that doesnt leave a lot.

I know several people on benefits. All of them go out regularly and their money up the wall. I work hard for my money and im worse off.

The system isnt right. I'm lucky, my mum babysits. I'm missing out on valuable time with my daughter because I have to work...fair enough...but then to find out im missing out and im worse off. My hours have been cut to 20 because of the state of the economy and because of that tax credit are taking £790 a year off me. Tell me how that makes sense

 

I think the problem is way bigger than just the issue of people being too lazy to work and choosing to fiddle the system instead.

First off, I agree there are some lazy low lives that would be more than happy to fiddle the system. They need to be dealt with.

But there are also plenty of people out of work who really want to be back in work (I had a stint on the dole when I got laid off from a job once and it took me a few months to find another).

This latest proposal is just because "Labour" need to do something to try to boost their popularity. It won't change a single thing in reality.

When I had to move away for work, I asked my girlfriend (now my wife) to come with me. She was unemployed at the time and as we weren't already living together, she was claiming benefits. She was one of the statistics that the government wants to reduce. When she moved away with me, she obviously signed off, as she would be supported by me. Nothing really had changed, she was still unemployed, but she was no longer a statistic on the unemployment figures.

Several years before that happened, when I was out of work having left school at the beginning of the last recession, I enrolled for a Youth Training course (used to be YTS). I was unemployed, living off the state, but I wasn't on the unemployment figures because I was in one of the other schemes that the governement had invented to keep the figures down.

Under the new proposals, I wonder if those working for their dole will be counted in the unemployment figures. I bet not. I bet that if it comes into effect, thousands will suddenly drop off the unemployment number, even though these people are still effectively unemployed, and everyone will say hooray for labour, they've stripped thousands off the unemployment figure, something that conservatives always failed to do.

Then of course there is the issue of what will these people be asked to do? If they have to go litter picking, will the council still pay someone else to also go out and clean the streets? If not will our council tax be reduced? I doubt it will.

I think it is good idea in principle, to get the long term unemployed into a routine of getting up for work every day, but in practice I can't see how it can work effectively.

 

doesnt make sense its all wrong...think that the proper swing leaders have got away with it that long and cost the tax payers so much that they dont know what to do next... it stinks get em doing summert at least

 

Wow! I thought I was the only one from the uncomfortable side of the street. Great to hear from guys that actually have experienced life from that side. It's great for politicians to come out with statements that make the Sun/Mail readers wet but where are the "thought out policies" that will actually help?:confused:

 

Working tax credit doesn`t apply here really. That is an entitlement paid to those that do work-and hats off to people like FMN.

Both labour and conservatives have played with figures, this can`t be about that. It`s too easy to blame the government. `m afraid it`s down to upbringing. If your son/daughter is on the dole and doing nothing about it, it`s your fault. I have never struggled to get a job-ever. There is plenty of work out there. Sometimes I have been sat in an office, sometimes I have been sluicing laundry at an old peoples home. I took what was on offer. Now hard work, or filthy work is "beneath" some people. And then people wonder why the country needs immigrants!

 

Spot on Claire.

 

There are generations of families who have not worked, who will never work, who somehow just Milk the system for what they can, and do get out of it!
Bottom line? They are no good to anyone and never will be, moaning about it won't change things but it is till a damn thorn in my side, and it would seem others too.
I worked all my life, and am now retired, I remember well, paying out virtually all my wages for 4 weeks of the summer holidays to cover child care, it annoyed me, but kept me in a job when the holidays were over and kids back at school.
There appears to be an assumption in one of the comments here, that the kids of a single parent will be roaming the street (over 7's), are all single mothers stupid then, and unable to get a quality job to pay for childcare like everyone else? I don't beleive it!
Working for a living and paying your way is in your blood, its all a matter of pride.

 

Don't forget there are a load of people in the thirties that never bothered to finish their education or do any training. I was one of those that failed to be put off by the pessimism and went on to build a decent career, but I can remember in my last year at school, the entire class being told, and I quote because I remember the teachers exact words "There's no point any of you lot setting your heart on a career, as most of you will sign on when you leave here. It's not like in my day when you could walk out of one job and into another, there are no jobs for you to walk into now". I have heard similar tales from other people who are roughly the same age as me.

Now that's no excuse, but imagine your just about to leave school and you are faced with the following choice: A) Do nothing and sign on straight away and have some fun, or B) Work hard on a training or college course, write letters off and fork out half your allowance in stationary and stamps, just so that you can sign on at the end of your course. I know that's not really how it was but that was the message put out at the time.

 

Land, that's me you're talking about, I guess, Don't worry, you can call me what you like, i won't call the mods. So all single parents are stupid? Does that mean ill-educated or moronic? Some people aren't as bright as others. Some people don't do as well at school as others. Does that make them deserving of the title as stupid?
Yes, there are many single parents who can't get a "quality" job. I probably couldn't get a "quality" job. But I get by.
Us scum can't get quality jobs, that's reserved for the well-eduacated and middle classes.
It doesn't answer the question. What happens to the kids during the school holidays?