Should tomato side shoots be pinched out and why?

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  1. donmaico

    donmaico Apprentice Gardener

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    I always have but friend of mine is adamant that some tomatoes cultivars should be left alone .Is he right? I always saw pinching out as way of keeping them under control otherwise they branch everywhere. He has already got three foot long shoots on the side and I was very tempted to cut them
     
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    If your friend is adamant that he wants his tomatoes left alone then so be it. Don't interfere with them. It is his choice. You grow yours your way which is the same as I do, having been taught on a Nursery how to do it over 40 years ago. Then show him how yours fruit compared to his. Let the proof be in the results. It really depends how many shoots he intends to leave and how many trusses he intends to leave on each shoot. But when someone is of such a strong opinion as he is you are wasting your time advising him differently. You can only teach by example. Frustrating as it may be to watch him you have to leave him to it. :(
     
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    yes of course but would I be correct i assuming that too many trussses result in very small fruit? Then again that wouldnt matter with Cherry varieties would it?Only ask because I always pinched the shoots regardless of variety and let them grow to 4 trusses high without really knowing why
     
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    Yes, you are right it will result in smaller fruit and they may well wilt before they even develop properly. It does depend on variety of course, some varieties lend themselves to bushing instead of cordon. If he leaves all shoots and trusses then the plant will suffer. I personally always deshoot and contain to about 5 or six trusses depending on the health of the main stem. If it is really stong and healthy then 6 trusses is fine. I wouldn't go beyond that though.
     
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    thanks ! would you do that with cherry varieties as well?
     
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    Pinching out depends mainly on the variety. There are, technically, two basic types of tomato - determinate and indeterminate. Determinate are also know as bush varieties (this includes types like Italian plum tomatos) and don't need pinching out because of their growing habit and they do not continue to have a lead stalk growing upwards forever (their growth and life is determined). For practical purposes some minor pinching out is usually done.

    Indeterminate are exactly like the term implies - the height is not determined by its growth pattern. In theory it can continue to grow upwards for as long as the strength of the plant and the growing conditions allow. A lot of commercial tomato growers train their plants to 20ft or more and provide support for them. They can then allow a lot of trusses that they train on cordons.

    In essence, determinate (bush tomatos) can be left to do their own thing but need some support for the main stem and some for the other stems (particularly if you grow them outdoors for which they are particularly suited). They tend to ripen almost all at the same time - late summer, early autumn.

    Indeterminates need pinching out and restricting - just as moyra says. They ripen over a staggered period becaue their growth is not determined. These are ideal for most uses and include cherry tomatos but the new breeds of cherry tomatoes that are for hanging baskets are dealt with in a slightly different way.
     
  7. martandmichelle

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    Hi All
    I am also new to this veg growing thing and have lots of Tomato plants at different stages which I have grown from seed. My question with side shoots is When should I start to pinch them out? my largest plant is about 3ft tall and growing like mad but doesn't have any trusses yet.

    Thanks in advance
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    You should pinch out the side shoots as soon as you see them appear or as soon as possible.

    If you leave them to get big, then when you snap them off you can leave a "wound" on the plant which can be succeptible to disease.

    But only pinch out side shoots on cordon or indeterminate varieties and don't pinch out with bush or determinate varieties.

    P.S if you do have any big side shoots and you snap them off you can easily repot them by just sticking them in a pot of compost and they root very easily and you will have another small plant for free.
     
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    What even before any flowers appear?
     
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    I believe these are an indeterminate variety Gardeners Choice.
     
  11. donmaico

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    so how does one determine whether they are deteriminate or indeterminate varieties?When they are young they all look pretty much the same
     
  12. martandmichelle

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    well the seed packed said that these plants will grow to 5-6ft so I assumed that they are not the bush / determinate variety.
     
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    What's that got to do with anything ???
     
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    The variety and what it says on the packet will tell you all you need to know.
     
  15. martandmichelle

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    Well as I said I am new to this, and everything I have read says to pinch out side shoots once flower trusses have set. What does that mean? Only asking for advice, if you havn't got any helpful advice then why bother!
     
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