Horsetail

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  1. Andyh

    Andyh Apprentice Gardener

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    We have a big horsetail problem! We have had the top 6 inches of the garden removed and taken away, which has since been replaced a weed membrane and 6 inches of tree bark. However the horsetail is back again in full force. Thankfully there is no grass to worry about so I can use whatever chemicals I like to try kill this little ****.

    I am waiting on a delivery of glufosinate-ammonium which I believe is good for killing horsetail. It contains 150 grams active ingredient per litre.

    For horsetail it recommends 5lt/ha. Surely that means 5 litres per hectare ?

    5L = 1 hectare = 10 000 m
    1L = 2000 m
    100 mL = 200 m
    10 mL = 20 m

    Does that sound about right, doesn't seem a lot?
     
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    Your figures are correct.

    It should do a pretty good job but please take great care with using it.

    It is produced for professional use and farming. The problem you have with using it is that it is highly toxic and should wear professional style protection. I'm sure that the product will tell you what to wear but it amounts to full body protection. Rubber boots that should be washed immediately afterwards, full face mask, heavy duty or washable gloves and disposable coveralls.

    One of the reasons for so much care in use is that it contains a surfactant which, in itself, is not harmful. What it does is increases the adsorbtion factor so that it spreads very easily on contact. This increases the danger of absorbtion through the skin. The absorbtion of glufosinate-ammonium through the skin can be as bad as drinking it.

    You also need to be careful if you are on sandy soil as it can be very mobile through light soil and affect aquifers that tend to underly that type of soil.

    The product is mainly aimed at the farming industry that use specially developed glufosinate-ammonium resistant GM crops.
     
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    Andyh Apprentice Gardener

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    Thanks for the advice.

    How long after use should I keep away from the soil (digging, planting, etc..).
     
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    How the devil did you manage to get hold of that without being licensed? As Shiney says, make sure you have FULL body protection plus a respirator suitable for use with the product.:gnthb: Also, make sure you don`t contaminate your neighbours properties.:thumb: Or your neighbours come to that.
     
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    I think the manufacturers claim that as it is a contact pesticide/herbicide the ground should be usable almost immediately.

    I would do a practical test by planting something quick growing, like radishes, to see whether they germinate BUT I wouldn't eat them. No matter what the manufacturers say, I don't trust this type of chemical (maybe I'm a bit paranoid :skp:) and would not want to plant edibles for a number of years after having used it. Actually, that is not true because I wouldn't use it in the first place :flag:. :oops: My paranoia is showing :old: :hehe:.
     
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    Your not being paranoid at all Shiney. I am totally with you. Iknow what I am doing with pesticides, and I would think twice about using it. I`m amazed he managed to get hold of it.:old:
     
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    My Granddaughter's school is a field away. I noticed the other day when I collected her this was growing through the fence. Just three sprigs. I was alarmed. Should I take glyphosate on my next walk and blast it? QWill it do any good? It's only a matter of time before it lands in my garden I expect. :flag:
     
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    Glyphosate will kill it BUT, it has to be applied before the fronds open, AND it will need doing just about everyday as further fronds grow.:thumb:
     
  9. Andyh

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    The reason for using glufosinate-ammonium is because the AS has failed to kill it off.




    Glyphosate isn't as good as people say. Spraying the garden everday is not practical.


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    I still need a little advice on best usage...

    Stall I pick the horsetail out or just break it before spraying?
    Shall I use 10-15 ml in about 5 litres of water and applied across 10 metres squared?
    How long does the soil remain contanimated with the chemical after spraying?
     
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    I would not dream of using this stuff myself without the proper gear and training - get a professional in if you must use this stuff.
     
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    I answered your second and third questions previously but always use the rate of application stated on the product. For what you want the highest usage rate will be necessary. Independant test have shown a residue for up to 22 days.

    The normally recommended way for applying any killer to horsetail is to bruise it. The old fashioned way of doing so is to whack it with a spade. That way also helps relieve some of the anger you may have about the weed. :hehe:

    I'm as amazed as Dai that you are able to get hold of it without a licence - if your land is less than 4 acres you won't get a licence. Products for retail sale have all been withdrawn and the concentration that they came in would not have solved your problem. The commercial strength product is likely to be withdrawn in August under EU91/414 - except in certain circumstances. A lot of the GM crops that were licenced for use with it have had that permission withdrawn.

    You are probably getting it in from China. If you use it without the full protection that Dai recommends you are taking a big health risk. One of the major effects of the chemical is on the reproductive system :(.

    If you use it then make sure that there is not the slightest breeze around and keep pets away - it is supposed to be extremely toxic to birds.
     
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