peony and something else....?

hello all

any ideas what these are...

after cutting away all the bramble an mares tail i found these too, i think one maybe a peony?





peony?



it looks like one of them has been cut back really hard at one point.....look how think the stem is!

 

Could be red or white valerian, or pink if they've crossed

 

Nah, more i look at it, the more i think Marley is probably closer.

 

thanks for the replies!

am i correct in thinking laurel's have a touch leaf structure an kinda glossy leaves?

this thing i have got the leaves are really soft an supple?

im suprised these are still alive to be honest i have given the whole garden 4 doses of Roundup Professional...everything has died away to nothing (including horse tails) an the only things still standing are these two!

i think they must have been covered by everythign else an so been saved from getting a good ol dose!

 

i have a sprig that i had taken off yesterday but thats all wilted now an when crushed it has no smell.

i will try the burning test :D

 

I'd give the whole lot another spray with Roundup.
Whatever they are they won''t make decent plants so better to spray and be rid of and start again.
Maybe I'm just hard hearted Hannah, but been there, done that bit and learned from experience.

 

im thinking of making a driveway in the near future ontop of were those plants are currently planted. so i was just basically seeing if they are worth being kept

the person who had the house before me was really old an she seems to have loved Bluebells and Roses....there are millions of them!