ID Cards

I`m not very clued up on this(shock horror)so can someone tell me from what age must we carry these cards.Reading wildflowers post got me thinking about teenage gangs,well teenagers in general and the legal age when they can be arrested etc.Is it 10 or 13?Needless to say there are kids out there getting away with murder.My son is 14 and isnt a bad lad but he looses his bus pass every other day so getting him to hang on to one of these cards would be a nightmare.

 

Well, I must agree with the general consensus that if they can be made cheat proof they should be a good thing - but that remains to be seen.

I've still got my Identity Card that was issued at the start of the last war. oops! I was only a toddler then :D

 

I must just add in case anyone gets me wrong that i have only been here 20 years through husbands work not choice...and prior to living in this area if someone had told me i would have to get an id i would have been most cross.. but when you see the way somepeople act well you just know their has to be something soon..A raf forces card is no use we are ex raf and anyone can forge them the same as pasports..unfortunately you do need an id card with dna ..etc etc on it..its just the way things are going unfortunately..

 

But why should we have to pay for them? Will people with low incomes get it at a reduced rate or for free? I don't object to having an ID card but I refuse to pay for one, if the Government wants us to have them then they should stump up the costs. We don't go out now or have holidays will we have to stop eating too?

 

celia i quite agree with you we shouldnt have to pay for them, mind we have to pay for up-to-date driving licences with a photo also.
When i lived in usa we had id cards and they still didnt stop the drug gangs and muderers, so they must of found their away around the system somehow

 

My view still stands - gang crime, drug crime, burglery, terrorist activity will not be stopped by carrying an ID card. I have lived and worked in both city and country - and therefore am well aware of the problems of both.

As an identity check, yes, Name, date of birth (possibly NI number) and picture, plus computer technology to make them fraud proof, or as near it as possible - is all that is required.

And the government puts its money where its mouth is.

Any other data can be obtained in the course of an investigation.

Nor do I agree with publishing data on paedophiles - what earthly purpose does that serve except to generate the kind of emotional vigilante excess seen in plymouth. Paedophilia whilst abhorrant, has always been present - its for parents to safeguard and teach their children. The shocking thing is that more abuse of children occurs in families, than ever happens outside the family. That doesn't hit the tabloid headlines.

 

in n. ireland we always have carried lisences , (ID),with photos and other details for as long as ive been driving, for obvious reasons. as far as im aware in england this was not required?, i think with the introduction of fingerprinting ,this takes (id)ing to a new level.for sure itll sort out undesirables,on street level , but i think its main use will be at the airports, and ports etc.this isnt to say they wont get round it , "they will" ( BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING )

 

Strangely, no-one has mentioned the iris scan which cannot be cloned.

As for the card, I've lost count of the number of places I've had to carry ID. Of course, working in hospitals it's understandable but I never really thought about objecting. I'm quite happy for my identity to be made known as others have said. But you can bet your life there'll be millions who have to have government agencies pay it for them - those on benefit, for example. Bet that won't include pensioners, tho but!

 

When I need a label sewn inside the back of my coat to remind me who I am I'll get an ID card.

 

I have no problem with ID cards except the extortionate charges rumoured. :rolleyes:

 

If it's anything like any other Government computer project the final cost will be at least 10 times that being floated (and it won't work!). I can understand some form of biometric passport but I don't see why anyone should need an ID card to go to the corner shop for a loaf of bread.

All too Orwellian for me.

 

I would certainly give a paedophilles an id card just to step outside their doors, as children as young as 2 3 4 5 cannot fight a grown man.
Its a well known fact that abuse happens inside the homes but there is certainly a lot, that arent, allowed to roam free amongst our children.
I would hate to think one could be living next to my daughter and my grandson, doesnt bare thinking of :(

 

Very interesting, all the points of view. I havent started thinking about ID cards till now - and am still confused. I dont like the thought of them, but if they do some good, then great! I wouldnt mind carrying one if it meant catching some of the b******s and getting them off the street.

Very good point Wildflower - I count my blessings every day that I live where I do.

 

As far as I'm concerned it will cost (us personally) a lot of money and achieve nothing.
Carrying ID within an organisation is not really the same as what is intended here.

How do you inforce it? Do you have to have the card with you at all times? If not, then there's no point, if you do then what happens when the LAW stop you and demand to see your card, and you've left it in your other pair of trousers.
A night in the cells,(which are full) or do you take it to the cop shop in the morning.
The crooks will probably clone them and you'll get the blame for all sorts of things
You can bet it will cost a lot of money and be the cheapest system they can come up with.
Just another money making scam.

 

Fran and Rosa, agree it won't stop child abuse that happens in the home - and I've been aware of so much of it in my 25 years working in Social Services.
I think you've made a valid point Pete that crooks will probably clone them - will we be guaranteed that they won't be able to?

que sera sera!