Making a propogator

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  1. Scrofula

    Scrofula Apprentice Gardener

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    I've just put electricity in my greenhouse and want to make a propogator using one of those heated mats. Firstly the advice is to put the mat on polystyrene blocks (available in B&Q)then the mat, then tin foil, then a pane of glass. Are there any substitutes for glass (other than a layer of sand). Could I just put a layer of capillary matting on top of the foil instead of glass ?

    Secondly, when I construct the walls, what material is best. I would rather avoid glass and have the options of plain 4mm polycarbonate or the insulating polycarbonate, constructed a bit like cardboard with multilayers. My concern is with the insulating polycarbonate blocking out some light. I live in Inverness and need all the light I can get.

    There was a nice picture of someone's homemade propogator a while back. Does anyone have any more pictures of their own home made propogator for inspiration ??
     
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    I can't see the purpose of foil on top of the mat as it will reflect heat downwards.
    When I built mine I put down polystyrene, then a layer of foil and covered the foil with sand in which I layered the heating element. The sand helps distribute heat, acts as a heat sink preventing rapid fluctuations in temperature and also holds moisture.
    I used plain thin polycarb sheet for the sides, but the top is twin wall polycarb. I used the twin for the top mainly because it is rigid and I can stand pots on it at times (it was also all I had to hand at the time!)
    I think that if you choose the heating element with care taking into account the surface area to be heated, single wall 'glazing' should be ok.
    I've a good variable thermostatic control on mine and if I expect a really cold night I just drape the propagator with a bubblewrap blanket.

    I've just been looking for pics of mine, which I posted last year. Can't find them at present, but will post them again if they turen up.
     
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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Mines getting a bit old now but its made in the old way.
    A shallow box about three inches deep, lined with a piece of pond liner, two inches of sharp sand in the bottom then a soil warming cable attached to a probe type thermostat covered by another inch of sharp sand.
    The whole thing stands on the bench in the greenhouse which is 18mm ply, the bottom of the box is also 18mm ply.

    The sides on mine are 10mm twinwall polycarbonate left over from when I reglazed one side of the greenhouse, the top is just a loose piece of the same material.

    I, like Dave, cant see where the foil comes in, or the glass for that matter. [​IMG]
     
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    Forgot to add. I lined mine with a sheet of agricultural polythene ( a leftover from polytunnel).Helps keep the moisture in and away from the wooden walls and base.
     
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    Also, if you keep the sand moist, it distributes the heat better.
     
  6. Scrofula

    Scrofula Apprentice Gardener

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    Thanks for the replies. I got the information about foil/glass etc from a web site that sells the heating mats (which include probe and thermostat) here
    http://www.jungleseeds.co.uk/HardwareOrders/index1.html

    and here

    http://www.biogreen.co.uk/heatingmats.htm

    I presume the foil may act to distribute the heat more evenly by conduction (perhaps not much of the heat is transferred by radiation) and the glass protects the foil and acts as a solid heat sink (it is solid sand in a way - silicon).

    I'll just bite the bullet and buy a mat build a frame and glaze with twin polycarbonate. I'll improvise on the details of layering at completion - otherwise I'll never build the thing.
     
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    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I've always gone on the assuption that the heat is conducted up into the pot from the damp sand to the damp compost, so I tend to push the pots down slightly into the sand.
    But maybe there are newer ideas.
     
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    I use the biogreen method of insalling the heat mat I used a .75" thick polystyrene slab to put the heat mat on and used sand over the aluminium foil,I don't keep the sand wet the heat transfers sufficiently through the dry sand.
     
  9. Scrofula

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    What size of heat mat did you go for out of interest, and is it still big enough ??
     
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    Never big enough, mine is a 120cm long could do with one twice that size ,may consider doing a full bench with heating cable.
     
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    I don't know how relevant my very amateurish propagator making is but it seems to work OK for me.

    I built it in 1976, as cheaply as possible, and the base is a 5ft x 3ft piece of thinly laminated chipboard. The sides are 9 inch laminated chipboard shelves screwed to the base. I lined the inside with heavy duty plastic and put in a 3 inch layer of sand.

    Then I fitted the thermostat probe through the side and laid out the heating cable on top of the sand. I then covered the cable with one inch of sand and 2 inches of gravel. After that I inserted 1 inch x 1 inch x 3ft batons into the corners of the propagator and also midway along the back and sides (the sand and gravel keeps them in place).

    I pushed drawing pins into the top of the batons but not right down to the wood. Then I ran some thin wire around the drawing pins so that it formed a wire frame along the back and half way down the sides and continued the wire across the middle of the propagator from the middle/side batons. So the wire frame was above the back half of the propagator.

    I then got some clear plastic and draped it over the wire frame and tucked it down the back and into the gravel. Used some more drawing pins to pin through the plastic into the batons at the back and then draped the plastic forward over the wire and down to the front.

    This gave a cover over the back half of the propagator that was 30 inches above the gravel and then it angled down over the front. When moving things in and out of the it all I had to do was lay the plastic back over the top. I could also have the back half of the propagator covered whilst the front could be uncovered.

    The whole thing cost very little to make and is still there 32 years later. All I have had to replace is the plastic cover - which I used to do about every three years - and that costs virtually nothing.

    Being 15 sq ft it is quite roomy but part of that is taken up by a cat that moved in a few years ago. :D
     
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