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  1. Kathy3

    Kathy3 Gardener

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    havent been to gc last few days,
    got a massive problem,its a rat,well i hope one although im begining to wander. saw it last friday evening came from under hubbys shed down the garden onto the path climbed a 7ft post in among nelly moser,where i had a wire mesh bird feeder with nuts in it,the rat went inside feeder back out and went under shed watched it2 or 3times.
    went to home base sat .morning for rat poison,and believe me i have filled 6 small trays 14 times and every morning there empty.
    so its either ammune to it or it has some constitution.friend at farm has giving me some stuff tonight he got at farmers market its from australia so if anyone a better system,please tell me i am scared to death to even go outside.
    its the first rat i have seen in my 65 years kathy3
     
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    :D What a horrible thing to have to deal with, Kathy!

    I think I might know what the problem is though. Rat poison is usually warfarin which thins their blood, so they bleed to death (not nice, but effective.) BUT, there is an antidote to it, and it's contained in peanuts, vitamin K, I think. So, if you're providing both, it's not going to work.....
     
  3. Kathy3

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    thanks dendrobium i got rid of all the bird food in my garden and i am trying to discourage the birds right now ,although i have put the poision
    where i hope the birds cant get at it.someone else told me abought warfarin,i didnt think the doctor would be happy to write me a precription :D :D
     
  4. compostee

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    Been there, but luckily, not since we moved. They are so and so's to get rid of, but if you persist, you should get the right results. Good luck.
     
  5. Waco

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    You must put the bait where the rat runs are, and keep filling up with more bait until food is left, if you don't do this then rats will become imune to the poison you use. I cover my runs with clay drainpipes to other animals can't get to it.

    As to the bird feed - hang stuff from trees to avoid encouraging vermin - other than squirils that is.
     
  6. Fran

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    You have my sympathy Cathy. Had the same problem with rats under my shed a few years back - a first for me too. Called the council pest people, and they came and baited under the shed - out of the way of wildlife and indeed my dogs. The reckoned it was the bird feeders that attracted them, so they were removed to ensure the bait was taken.

    After a week or so - I didn't see them again, nor thankfully did I find their remains. Needless to say scoured everything down in the area.
     
  7. Kathy3

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    thanks all, this is me up since 5am to see if they are running about,its driving me mad :mad:
    dendrobium,is there a chance they or it may have stored some nuts,or would they be like me and just eat them on demand.Fran called the local council,was told it was my responsibility.
    have also been on to local councillar we were all giving recycle bins they are about 2ft boxes
    no lids just nets,and i know people will not be cleaning their empty tins come summer when its hot they will be lying for 2 weeks i dont think this is right.thanks to all
     
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    Hi Kathy3

    Sorry to hear of your trouble. Over the years we have had trouble with rats many times. We live in a rural area and the Council asked us and our neighbours not to have bird tables but to only have bird food from hanging feeders.

    The poison should work. Sometimes the poison you can buy in the stores is not very strong and can take quite a long time to work. The stuff that pest controllers use is much stronger so works quite quickly. Local authorities used to send their pest controller free of charge for rats but a lot don't do it any more. If you see the rat again you might consider phoning a pest controller and asking how much he would charge you. As with many things you can shop around.

    It is a nuisance and annoying to have to pay for it but the peace of mind may be worth it. In all the years that we had rats around the only real nuisance they caused was them eating holes in the shed walls and floor. We now have a metal shed.

    Good luck. [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG] Hi Kathy,
    We have had a problem with them in the past too.. Apparently we now have the biggest rat problem nationwide since before the 2nd WW.....!! :eek: We got a pest control person in & they put poison down .. You can try traps, but they are very wiley & won't go near them for a long time, even then they are pretty cute at getting the bait off & scarpering..!! Then of course you have to deal with the corpes.. So I would get in touch with a pest control Co. They will be in your loal pages I expect. Touch wood they got a huge number of them all & we haven't had any return. They become quite fearless & will be seen out in the daylight right nearby sometimes. My neighbour had one knaw through his floor & run across the room...!!! :eek: That was it..!! We waged war as a village then. We have not eradicated them, but the numbers are lower. We will never get rid of them, we know that. We are a farming community.. But we can help to keep them away from the houses by not having bird tables or throwing bread etc on the ground or storing feed in sheds. Have hanging feeders up high. .! The bins are a problem though I agree, you can only do your best to make sure they can't get at yours..!

    Pet rats are one thing...!!!! Wild rats... NO WAY JOSE....!!!!
    So I would have a look in your local pages... ;) Good luck, but you are not alone..!!!
     
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    An old cat my mum had was one of the best ratters on the planet. A huge ginger tom with semi ferral parantage he would leave presents of rats, mice and rabbits (usually headless) on the doorstep lined up for 'inspection'

    I understand the sentiments against rats but please be very carefull that poisons cannot get into the food chain. Many animals and birds of prey such as buzzards and owls rely on small mammals for their diet and if you remove the predators you will quickly get an explosion in the rat population. One rat can have up to 7 litters a year and each litter can have a dozen or more kits if the food supply is good and they have a cosy home. They are canny too and will avoid poison bait and also consume natural antidotes such as peanuts or clay minerals that bind to the poison

    Compost bins should be wire netted to make sure rats don't have access to regular food (plastic, far from being a deterrant is considered a delicacy by some rats). Hanging bird feeders are also better than tables but the black rat especially is a good climber so don't assume they are immune. Both black and brown rats are mainly nocturnal so if they are particularly bothersome take the feeders down overnight.

    Local authorities make me mad [​IMG] Increasingly 'going green' (read cutting services) we are expected to tollerate hiked Council Tax bills with fortnightly collections of household rubbish. We are told to compost it - great if you have a garden but what about flats or high density housing where some elements are, shall we say, less than social?

    We cannot blame the rats, they are merely opportunistic and will take a free lunch wherever they can. Much like some of our renowned Council Directors.
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Marley Farley

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    [​IMG] I understand & agree with your sentiments frogesque about the poisons & the knock on effect in the environment. :( I cannot stress enough that we must be very careful with any type of poison & keep it's use to a minimum, otherwise we will find the pests will become imunne to it...!!!!

    The company that did ours had large box affaiars with the poison in & once the rats went in after it they couldn'r get out again, so I was most impressed with that. They came every couple of days & checked the boxes so no nasty smells... I asked them how they were disposed of & they assured me they were incinerated... So I hope we didn't endanger any Raptors or good predators doing it that way. It certainly seemd the best way at the time... :rolleyes: Councils do not really seem to take into account the rise in vermin due to the longer times between bin collections..!! Recycling is great but it has to be done in a clean & responsible way. I think most of us do wash everything to try to eliminate odours & pests as much as possible, but of course they will always be there, all part of natures vast melting pot...!!! ;) :D
     
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    I don't know the answer to your question, Kathy - but I hope the answers the others have given throughout this thread have encouraged you to get somebody in who knows what (s)he is doing, so you won't have to worry about it.
     
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    We are having a problem around here with rats in the compost bins. Luckily, we haven't got them in ours, but they are within a few houses!!!!
    We have all been told (word-and-mouth by neighbours, not the council, mind!!)to make sure the compost bins are either secure on concrete, or sunk in with chicken wire, or the blighters will dig under the bottom!!

    Statistics say there is at least 1 rat within 5m of every household..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :eek: :eek:
     
  14. Kathy3

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    thanks everyone,i thought i was alone with this little blighter,its good to know that some of you have also had them.not that i would wish it on anyone.all the poison is well under the shed
    i am an animal and bird lover as is my husband,we are very concerned about wild life.i even hate the thought of killing the rat,but my fear has overtaking my life,so its got to go.thankfully this is the first day the poison has not been touched.do i leave it for a while
    to see what happens???? or remove it
    thanks for all your help kathy [​IMG]
     
  15. Marley Farley

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    [​IMG] Just leave it for a while Kathy.. Check on it occasionally but don't move it. Rats are strange & quite smart. When they see something new they will ignore it, but after a while when it loses the human smell a bit then they will eat it. Keep it in the same place as well. Even if you decide to put some elswhere always keep the 1st topped up.. ;) [​IMG] Hopefully you will get rid of them soon.. [​IMG]
     
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