Taking the pee

I get a lot of forwarded messages of a Nationalistic perspective. I ignore most of them but this one caught my interest.

If its true, then the bloke has got a very good point.

"The Urine test (This was written by a rig worker in the North Sea -
What he says makes a lot of sense!)

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to earn that pay cheque, I work on a rig for a drilling contractor. I am required to pass a random urine test for drugs and alcohol, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.

Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their ****, drinking booze, smoking dope and generally taking all kinds of drugs.

Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque?

Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete it if you don't.

Hope you will pass it along though, because something has to change in the UK, and soon! "

Like I said, only a forwarded message but i've always been willing to work and do get annoyed about people who think the state owes them a living. I've had so little work over the past few months I nearly considered signing on the dole, but just couldn't face it.

I'm now working and paying taxes, but i'd really like those taxes to help people, not pay for drugs or for the government to blow people up with

 

I also pay my taxes, and I dont have to take a urine test.
He says he has no problem taking a urine test, but clearly he does, otherwise he would not be winging.

I do see the point but where would it all stop.

I end up inhaling large amounts of dust all day, but I dont expect benefit claimants to do the same.

 

I can see his point about wasters though... there should be a method of judging whether they are truly deserved of us taxpayers cash.

 

As I said, I see the point but............

 

On one hand, I can see the lad's point, but on the other, I'm not so sure.

Its all too easy to draw unfair conclusions about benefits claimants. Some of them are undoubtedly lazy spongers, but my gut feeling is that the majority of them aren't.

I was a sponger once. I spent a few months out of work unexpectedly, and had to claim dole if I wanted to eat. The thing is, I'd paid more in tax and national insurance in my last month alone at work, than I got back in dole. I had no complaint about that, but I wasn't happy about the way overnight I went from being a respected hard working bloke to a job dodging sponger.

Then there are those that have never worked in their lives, and don't want to work. I'm sure some of those are genuine lazy job dodgers, but I bet a fair few of them having simply given up hope and lost all their confidence. Until I was 20, the only 'work' I managed to get (because I had no experience, because nobody had given me a job to get the experience) was through various government training schemes and work placements. I was determined, but I met so many others who didn't have the same mental resolve as me. The general view was 'what's the point?'. A lot of the people in my situation firmly believed that the training and work placements wouldn't result in a proper job. In my experience that view was wrong, and I went on to build a good career, but I still occassional bump into some of the lads I met in those days, and they haven't all done so well.

So my point is, its not black and white. There needs to be all sorts of changes both socially and in government. The long way round would be to give more incentives to employers to take on inexperienced trainees, and bring a social change to make people believe that a better life is within their reach. The quick way would be to make people work for the dole, and not just the jobs that nobody else wants to do, but a whole range of jobs. Perhaps they could work alongside the parky for example, helping to maintain the parks, or perhaps they could do some sort of community project, perhaps building a new play area in a worn out neighbourhood. They could even do voluntary work in charity shops or wherever volunteers are needed, where they can pick up transferable job skills, get into a routine, and generally take pride in their work.

 

I understand what the guy is saying and I have to agree with him.

If someone is claiming benefits and they have enough money to buy dope, they are getting too much money off the tax payer via our successive incompetant, corrupt and morally bankrupt governments.

We will take a hell of a long time to shake off 13 years of the psuedo fascist Nu-Liebour regime. Some of that nonsense will not go away as it rakes in way too much revenue for the government. Not to mention allowing the faceless and gutless penpushers to continue to monitor our every waking moment.

I suspect that the majority of benefit claimants are genuine cases and the minority are the ones milking the system. Let me be very cler about this though. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever, for giving out huge sums to immigrants of whatever nationality or status. They have made no valid contribution to our country or society, paid no taxes or national insurance contributions, yet the previous regime allowed millions of people to enter this very small and overpopulated country without any kind of limit.

There is a limited amount in the pot. Only so many can take from the pot. The more that take, the smaller the amount available. This is basic maths. If every immigrant was deported and no others allowed entry into the UK, how many people would still be unemployed? How much would the annual benefit bill come to if we were not supporting every foreigner that sees us as a free meal ticket?

Every day there are articles in the press about yet another family of 27 living in some swanky house rented by a private landlord to them via the local council. We pay for that family. If they want kids they should pay for them themselves and not expect my tax money to subsidise thier dangerous irresponsibilty.

I have worked very hard and paid a lot in taxes. I served Queen and country untilI was medically discharged with a broken neck. That was my first taste of how OUR so called government treats people down on thier luck.

I was on crutches and had to visit Stoke Mandeville Spinal Injuries unit regularly for treatment. I could not work. Standing up was a challenge. My army pay had been messed up and I was told to claim benefits. Can you imagine how humiliated I felt after doing the job I loved and then being told that I could not claim anything because I had made myself unemployed by accepting a medical discharge. I was then told I was not entitled to put my name down for any kind of housing because I had not lived in the are for at least five years. (No I hadn't lived in the are for five years because I was serving in Northern Ireland fighting terrorists, Cyprus fighting both sides under the UN , Hong Kong fighting people smugglers etc etc). My regiment had to sort that mess out.

I had just been told that I would always need a stick or crutches to walk, that I would never be ableto run, play rugby, ride horses or motorbikes, never be able to sky dive or do any martial arts and boxing. Allof the things I loved to do. The shame and indignity of that plus the treatment I got from the benefits people went a hell of a longway to making me determined to do everything they said I would not be able to do and a fair bit more besides.

Apparently as a registered disabled War Pensioner I am now entitled to claim a range of benefits that would give me quite a reasonable income. I would rather shove a wasp nest up my backside than make a claim and be subjected to that kind of humiliation again.

Our less than illustrious previous regime, decided to sell off all the military hospitals. Bliar promised that allservicemen suffering the long term effects of injuries or illness caused by military service would get preferential treatment under the NHS. Whne five discs collapsed in my neck I was placed on the "Emergency waiting list" which was supposed to be 3 months maximum according to Bliar. FIVE YEARS AND FOUR MONTHS later, after the surgery being cancelled 17 times, my regiment threatened to sue the NHS and I was in hospital 3 days later, having a Titanium Carbide joint implanted in my neck. As a direct result of that wait I now have to undergo further major surgery. PLaced on the emergency waiting list again, so far I have been waiting 2 years and 10 months.

All the time I have been waiting, I could have claimed benefits. Screw that. I live on my War Pension that I earned the hard way plus doing a fewjobs on bikes and some leatherwork. I feel very VERY angry that there are people that are being huge amounts of tax payers money that have never contributed anything to this country or our society. There are people receiving benefits that should not even be in the UK, yet we have our own elderly people dyingevery year for the sake of an extra meal on wheels or a bag of coal.

The sytem is screwed up and we do not have anybody with the balls needed to sort it out.

Chopper.

 

Many years ago in the Great Depression, my grandparents tried to claim benefits, but when the inspector came round to assess their claim he told them they weren't eligible because they had a piano.

So they got a sledgehammer, smashed it to pieces and after the remains were duly inspected they were paid benefits.

Anything else for the list of what benefit claimants shouldn't have?

 

Gosh, what a great idea! It would keep me in work permanently doing all those tests for drugs and all.

But - FYI - the pots to do instant drugs testing cost £40 each and my time works out about £32 an hour plus travelling expenses. I can only do 4 tests per hour because there's a legal requirement that we have to get the client to sign a legal disclaimer/consent which takes most of the time, so many people being only slightly literate! Then the paper work itself, evaluating and storing it, probably costs at least £25 per person. Therefore, ONE urine test would cost us, the tax payer, at least £75 probably a lot more.

Just thought you'd like to know! :WINK1:

 

Good point Daisees.

Back to the deterent method then.

How many scumbags would sign on if the dole office had a resident sniffer dog & police officer ?

To sign for your benefits cheque you'd have to run the gauntlet.

 

This sounds like another attack on those who, whilst working hard over many years have been prudent enough to save for hard times ahead, and have put money aside for life's little pleasures, unlike wasters who've blown their wages on drink and drugs whilst 'working' - I guess most people have had to cover for the likes of them during their 'sickies', etc.

So after constantly blowing their wages on buying drink & drugs, maxing out on debt and rather than trying to be frugal and growing their own veg, homebrewing, foraging/preserving, buying their own house (if possible), paying into pension schemes, saving for retirement, children's' uni fees, rainy day, etc., they get full benefits with everything for free. and their debts written off/interest paid.

And those who've scrimped and saved and have some homebrew & cash put aside for a few pleasures during hard times will get tested, and penalised for it.

Makes my blood boil.


P.S. And has everyone in receipt of a pension heard the rumours that Income Tax (20%) & NI contributions (12%, but currently zero on pensions) are going to be combined, so pensioners will soon be paying a lot extra tax? and again bashing those who've made provision for themselves.

 

Here's one example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ying-60-cent-tax-merge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

That's bad reporting there (and everywhere else), because it makes it seem like just over 65's may be affected, but it could also affect much younger people, such as those in receipt of disability pensions.

 

Where do some of you get the idea that most benefit claimers blow the money on drink, drugs etc ... many claimants are genuine - but you do not hear of them only the minority who do spoil it for others ... we need to close our borders first and foremost and then make sure those signing on the dole go and do the jobs they are oferred - refuse three ?? stop benefits ... I have now been retired 2 years - I am 65 and worked all my life as did my husband ... I have arthritis, fibromyalgia and a dodgy painful hiip - I still worked. But I often came across young people, whilst working for the youth service, who had no intention of gettting a job !! neither it seems did their parents ! My daughter works as a case worker in hostels for the homeless - some of those have been living on the streets for many reasons and not all drug related ...
I have always thought that everyone should retire at 55 on a good national pension so have more to spend in retirement, and that leaves jobs for other people to take up - and we should make sure that they do take up the jobs ...
Val

 

This is a very difficult subject and its very easy to generalise and put everybody into categories.

I'm not saying we dont need to sort out a lot of the long term unemployed who have been just sitting back taking hand outs.
There is also a good few immigrants that see us as a free meal ticket.

Along with that bunch we have the genuine unemployed, who because they are used to working dont always know their way around the system.
These people usually end up getting the least help.

Looking at a lot of the jobs available, I would say most are not providing a liveable wage, even many skilled jobs are paying rock bottom wages these days.

So I can understand why people dont always take those **** jobs that they are offered.
We need to stop employing cut price labour from Eastern Europe, these people are forcing down wages in this country, start paying liveable wages to people doing sensible jobs, and then you can actually start forcing people to take **** jobs they are offered.

No one can be expected to live on the minimum wage in this country.

 

I think I probably fall into this catagory at the moment. My contract at the company I was temping a finished after Christmas. After a week or two of doing nothing, I tried to sign on. However I have since discovered that despite paying NI since I was 21, I am not entitled to any JSA because back in 2008 I had 5 months of not working, because I had taken voluntary redundancy. JSA is only based on the last two years worth of NI contributions, regardless what you have paid/earned before that. So, because I took voluntary redundancy, then didn't sign on (and take the money I was entitled to), effectively falling off the radar, back in 2008, I am not entitled to anything now! Nice, eh?

PS the job market is fairly rubbish out there at the moment, unless you wish to work shifts, anti social hours or for the mimimum wage.