Dear Mr Cameron

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  1. HarryS

    HarryS Eternally Optimistic Gardener

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    [FONT=&quot]Dear Mr. Cameron,

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    [FONT=&quot]Please find below our suggestion for fixing England's economy. [/FONT]
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    Instead of giving billions of pounds to banks that will squander the
    money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan: [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]There are about 10 million people over 50 in the work force.
    Pay them £1 million each severance for early retirement with the
    following stipulations:
    1) They MUST retire.
    Ten million job openings - unemployment fixed
    2) They MUST buy a new British car.
    Ten million cars ordered - Car Industry fixed
    3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage -
    Housing Crisis fixed
    4) They MUST send their kids to school/college/university -
    Crime rate fixed
    5) They MUST buy £100 WORTH of alcohol/tobacco a week .....
    and there's your money back in duty/tax etc
    6) Instead of stuffing around with the carbon emissions trading scheme that makes us pay for the major polluters, tell the greedy illegitimate children to reduce their pollution emissions by 75% within 5 years or we shut them down.
    It can't get any easier than that! [/FONT]

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    P.S. If more money is needed, have all members of parliament pay back their falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]If you think this would work, please forward to everyone you know. If not, please disregard.
    Grumpies of the World Unite.[/FONT]

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    Let's put the pensioners in jail and the criminals in a nursing
    home.
    This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies and walks. They'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out.
    They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
    Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.
    A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
    They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
    They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual
    counselling, pool and education.
    Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free, on request.
    Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with
    gardens.
    Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls.
    There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to. [/FONT]

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    The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised.
    Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week. Live in a tiny room and pay £600.00 per week and have no hope of ever getting out. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Think about this (more points of contention):

    COWS
    Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the
    mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Appleby almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the county of Cumbria? And, they even tracked her calves to their stalls. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]But they are unable to locate 125,000 illegal immigrants wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

    THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]They keep talking about drafting a
    Constitution for Iraq ... Why don't we just give them ours?
    It was drawn up by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for
    centuries and we're not using it anymore.

    THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
    The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse or Parliament, is this -
    You cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal', 'Thou Shalt Not Commit
    Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of lawyers,
    judges and politicians..... It creates a hostile work environment. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Also;

    Think about this ... If you don't want to forward this for fear of
    offending someone -- YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]It is time for us grumpy old folk of Britain to speak up![/FONT]
     
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      Excellent Harry, although I'm never going to cut down to £100/week booze for anyone :)
       
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      I agree with all of that except point 3. If suddenly 10 million houses were bought up, then it would be even harder for people to get onto the property ladder.

      During the 'boom', there was half hearted talk about curbing the price rises so that ordinary people could afford to buy houses to actually live in, as opposed to wealthy people buying them up as investment properties, and then renting them out at extortionate prices to those who were stuck in a catch 22 whereby they couldn't afford to save for a deposit to buy a house because ever spare penny they had, often as much as a third of someone's take home pay, sometimes more, was going onto rent for their poorly maintained rented property.

      Now the house prices have stopped rising much, and in some cases are falling, people are panicking again. Not so much ordinary people who bought a house to live in. They recognise that it makes little difference how much their house value moves because everyone else's is moving in step. The people that are panicking about the stagnation of house prices are those that bought up everything they could afford, thinking they could rake in huge rents and then sell at a massive profit, and are now realising that by the time they take into account interest on their 'buy to let' mortgages they will actually break even rather than making a massive profit.
       
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      Many a true word....
       
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        Very true Ziggy. Some eye openers there Harry.
         
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        Well said, Harry!

        I've never seen the practical sense of the carbon trading scheme a: Because it doesn't work because it's theoretical and nobody can prove when a country exceeds it's quota, and b: How does the scheme justify countries selling part of their "allowance" to another country who wants to exceed their allocated allowance? It's supposed to be about forcing countries to cut down their carbon emission not buy their way out.

        I'm not sure you can buy a British car these days, though. Toyota, Nissan and Honda are basically "kit cars" with parts brought in from Japan,[when they're not having earthquakes etc], so to buy a British Car it would have to be a Jenson or a Morgan - nice cars, but out of my league.

        I agree about houses. I don't know about everybody else, but I bought my house brand new in 1978 ["£50 down and come back in a fortnight, Mr!" said the man in the Office Caravan on the building site], for one purpose and one purpose only - to live in and make a home where I could rest my weary head and raise my kids. I didn't buy it to sell later for a profit. it never entered my head to do that. It was all about a Home and a safe place from the Big Bad World. My sister has sold her house seven times purely with the motive of making a profit but at the end of all that she is in, admittedly, a nice house, with the expendiure of moving, bringing the houses up to the required standard has left her no better off financially.

        I'm all for hiring young people and giving them worthwhile meaningful jobs, but in this real life companies need experienced, work savvy staff and that takes time. The work market is too complex to just stop people working at 50, even it is a damned good idea, and there's never a happy balance of age, experience, skills, and peoples own personal needs.

        Having all kids been sent to University sounds good, even though this Tory led government has made it unaffordable for poor families and individuals to do so. But there is a qualification to that, because human beings being what they are, not all young people want to go on to higher education of any description, and forcing that policy, if it were ever possible, would result in people dropping out in great numbers for varying reasons to obvious to mention.:dunno:

        I don't smoke and never have, but I have nothing against those who do. So I'd have to spend a £100 a week on Wine:happydance:

        I wish I'd retired, years ago, and now I'm retired I'm too busy to be able to work:hapfeet:
         
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        I like the idea of every person over 50 that is working being paid a million pounds to retire. Can we wait until I go out and get a job so I can be paid to retire? :loll::loll::loll:
         
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        I thought you already had a million pounds, Shiney, don't be greedy:heehee::loll::hapfeet:
         
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        Yes, but a million isn't worth much now!! Gimmee more! :loll::loll:
         
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        Don't worry, the hopeless can still get all sorts of grants to go to university. Read further than the headline of the Daily Mirror. The only people screwed are the people working their arses off for their kids. The useless are still having their backsides wiped, even more so under this lot of toffs (who have romantic visions of the underclass) than under the last lot of psychopaths.
         
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        A very good summing up of all the politicians. :love30:

        Cynical! You? Never!!! :loll::loll:
         
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        While I sort of see your point, I don't think its fair to make sweeping statements about 'useless people'. Sure there are some scrounging jobdodgers about but there are also an awful lot of ordinary people who do their best, but don't do so well financially. These people are not useless, some of them are the most underrated members of society. The cleaners, without whom we'd have to work in dirty workplaces. The shop assistants, without whom we'd struggle to buy anything. The security guards, without whom so much stuff would get nicked that the retail costs would go through the roof. All these people work hard and are, in my opinion, equal to the top managers in multinational corporations. The only difference is they get paid just enough to not qualify for any assistance with anything, but not enough to actually afford to do anything except live a modest life.
         
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        clueless,
        I read it that the ones Atticus referred to as those working their arses off are the hard working ones that you refer to. :thumbsup: :)
         
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        I go along with Clueless on this one. I also think Atticus's statement is too sweeping and generalistic to get to the core of the matter. I wasn't including the, as he puts it, "hopeless" i.e: those who stay unemployed deliberately for life, but as Clueless defined them those families and individuals,who are working but not able to finance university opportunities, or those being supported by their parents who want to give their kids a chance, all because although they worked all their lives they've been in poorly paid jobs. We can all be sweepingly cynical in an discussion, and often are, but can lose the point of our arguement if we're not careful.
         
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