opinions?

Still remember a spokesman on the news backtracking & saying they were only marketing it as a healthy option. That must be why they had a vegetarian lable on it then.

Oh, going back to kids, Boy won't eat Linda McCartney pies, Girl won't eat Quorn & Mushroom:DOH:

 

Ok so if you all stopped eating meat, what happens to all domestic animals now here, the male cows that are produced so we can have milk, chickens produced so we can have eggs. No meat eating = a surplus of male animals just wandering around eating grass unless you stop livestock altogether in which case you have no milk, cheese, cream, leather and all the other products which are directly related to meat eating.

Mrs Chopper chucking a fly in the moral ointment.

 

we were brought up doing this asd well as killing our goats,rabbits,hens,sheep + cows

 

Do you think that will ever happen?

Personally I don't see the problem with people choosing not to eat meat. I haven't read anyone judging the meat eaters, just people sharing their own personal choices.

Maybe if animals were kept in healthier conditions and killed in a humane way there wouldn't be the great divide because more people would continue eating it. I know I would have done.

 

It's not just that I couldn't kill my own meat ... I don't even like handling the stuff. Personally I don't see what's so attractive about a big slab of cow's bum. Too much red meat isn't terribly good for you, either.

There is a seventy year old living up the road for me who has been a vegan for many years. He is slim, active and still looks remarkably good. I couldn't really say the same for the specimens who hang around outside the local MacDonalds. And some of them are only twenty or so.

 

And some are even younger:

 

Exactly, a lot of people stop eating meat simply because they cannot condone the cruelty associated with it!!

Val

 

Dog food, cat food + mainly Veganic gardening for human food?

Anybody else got this book?

 

Hi Mrs C,

Used to have that discussion with a friend years ago.

We've created a totally artificial landscape/environment, sheep, cows, pigs etc. would not normally be present in such vast numbers, except maybe bison, but due to mankinds reshaping of the landscape, we won't see a return to vast migratory herds, there is simply nowhere for them to exist now.

At the moment, vegetarianism is largely down to choice and financial restraints but over the next few decades it will become more and more down to costs.

As the population continues to grow, putting more demand on the land for housing, workplaces, water & power, the remaining agricultural land will have to be very carefully managed. Producers will have to work out what the best use will be.

The oil is running out so chemical fertilizers will become more and more expensive. The choices will be, raising meat, producing 5 times more food in the way of vegetables or putting the land down to fuel crops, oil or timber.

Animals won't be completely out of the equasion but meat will become increasingly expensive to produce. You can grow a hell of a lot more soy protein from a given area of land than you can beef protein.

Our present "agribusiness", the huge pararie farms, are only sustainable as long as the oil keeps flowing to power the tractors & combines and spray the crops.

When that runs out we will need to break the farms down into smaller, labour and animal powered units, changing back to an organic system where things are not just recycled but used in a way so as to create the energy we need to power the system, biogas we discussed on another thread, but also solar, wind and water power will come into play.

We will need to replace the oil based chemical fertilisers so new generation sewerage/bio gas plants will need to be built, instead of dumping poo in the sea, it will be needed to fertilise the fields.

In short, we need to re think the whole way we produce food & we need to be thinking about it now.

By 2050. we will need to double the World's food production just to keep pace with feeding the population.

We can't even feed everyone now.

 

So, if you are cooking a veggie curry and a chicken curry, you use chicken stock in both? Again, as you eat fish, you are STILL a meat eater,

 

I'm sorry but I didn't see any mention of putting the chicken stock in both dishes

No one is claiming not to be a meat eater, this is just a discussion about dietary preferences. Each to their own.

 

I open a jar and put half in one and half in the other... I love gardening, I hate cooking!!! As Ziggy said, I never mentioned chicken stock.. if I was using stock I would put veggie in both.

As for eating fish... I tell people I am veggie as it's easier for people to work out. I do eat a little fish as i know it is good for me. It is based on my own personal reasoning behind why I gave up meat and it works for me. I don't need to justify my dietary choices just like I am not asking meat eaters to justify theirs.

All I did was tell those that said they want to give up meat that it is easy to cook for a veggie and a meat eater in a house without having to cook completely different meals.

#sigh# sorry for the rant... I think some of it is because I am tired of people pointing out I am not veggie coz I eat fish. I know I'm not but it's easier than saying "I don't eat meat or chicken, but I do eat tuna and sometimes cod, coley, mackerel or hoki , but I don't eat shellfish or prawns". I could say that people that hate marmite shouldn't eat the million other things they put yeast extract in... you'd be amazed at what it's in!!!

 

Tilia, my sister stopped eating meat a long time ago but she still eats fish and dairy products. She got fed up with being out with people who spent all evening looking for inconsistencies in her attitude to animals: 'Ah-ha! So you still have milk in your coffee! Let me tell you all about the horrors of the milk industry' .... 'so you still have leather shoes? How do you square that one?' So now she's careful to say that actually, she just doesn't really like meat. This still seems to be a problem to some of her friends. Perhaps she should hang around outside fast food joints shouting: 'Ah-ha! Is that a triple Whopper with cheese and large fries I see before me? Let me tell you all about clogged arteries ...'

 

red meat used for feature a lot on my menu (I am ex-south african) ....

but since being in the UK, we tend to eat a lot more fish/chicken as red meat (lamb and beef) is very expensive ... there are cheaper cuts that are very good especially when making stews (one of the nicest meals is an ox-tail stew cooked in a slowcooker for 8-10hrs)

Pork is good value for money in the UK, but we only eat pork once every 2 weeks

I have no problem in hunting for meat or for fish as long as what you eat what you hunt

as for milk, we only buy organic milk, as the normal milk is laced with growth hormones and all sorts of 'nasties' ....

we are also very fussy when it comes to eggs and chicken .... we only buy free range organic, but saying that, a decent sized free range organic chicken now costs more than £8

the price of good fresh fish is also very expensive here in the UK, and sometimes costs more/kg than ribeye steak

 

Hi Dim,

Don't know if you are near the coast but I buy the lesser known species when i'm down there, such as Gurnard, Trigger Fish, Mullet, Cuttlefish Etc.

Because they are not "Foodie" fish they can be quite cheap in comparison.

I usually get a fair few for a Tenner