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  1. shiney

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    As I'm not very good with DIY and technical stuff I have a question to ask.

    We have a typical 'blow away' plastic greenhouse about 6ft x 4ft x 2ft 6". It's quite full with plants at the moment and the wind is causing problems.

    On the bottom shelf I have put a paving stone to weigh it down but the wind has been strong enough to still make it start 'walking' on the patio and the pots are falling around. So I shall use another one (or two) slabs.

    Trying to remember back to my schooldays I seem to remember the bit about having more stability with a lower centre of gravity. So, it seems that I should put the second slab on the bottom as well.

    The problem is that, in my minds eye, I can see the bottom of the 'blow away' remaining still and the upper part flexing and throwing the pots around again.

    If I put a slab on the top shelf, would that help stop the flexing or would the slab get thrown around as well? :scratch:

    I suppose that I could go for the typical Victorian overkill solution of putting two slabs top and bottom. :rolleyespink:
     
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    You'll have to get out there and hold it till the winds have gone shiney :D

    I'd say another slab at the bottom will help, higher up will make it top heavy and more chance of it getting blown over. Obviously keep it zipped up and if you can move it slightly, then towards the house will help. If you have any slabs spare then use them to weigh down the plastic at the bottom (if there is any overlap on the ground)

    As I type this the winds have just arrived here too along with rain. Certaily is gusty but no-where near as bad as up north by all accounts.
     
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    Shiny - Keep all the weight as low down as possible . To support the upper structure , is there anyway you can fit a couple of guy ropes front and back and tie them to something sturdy , or a couple of ground screws.......
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      I have one of them Greenhouses, i have mine in the top corner of my garden, i put a big bag of sand in the bottom of it and from one side round the front to the other i have fixed it to the fences with them Bungee cords, seems to keep it in place, but if the wind does blow a gale some of the light stuff inside still seems to fall around.
       
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      Hi Shiney, I've just put a "blow away" up and mentioned its progress and some things I have done to secure it against the wind in this thread;

      http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/general-gardening-discussion/36929-my-autumn-winter-plans-8.html

      I managed to get it all done just before the winds came, I have some guys ropes on the outside that are helping to hold the cover down, but that is also tied inside to the frame. The DIY strengthening work I have done is definitely holding it in place and it is a sheltered position too - however there is a little movement in it and the wind was strong enough to make a few pots fall off the shelves - no harm done though.

      I still have to put some bricks or slabs around the outside to hold down the overlapping section of the cover. But given the strength of the wind last night especially I'm pleased its held up :thumb:

      I also have a small "blow away" and that has a large slab of slate on the bottom shelf and is wired to some stakes, that hasn't moved an inch in 3 years - and its been battered at times :D :thumb:
       
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      Shiney,

      If you have a few spare slabs, you could stand them on end and lean them onto the blow away too until the wind has passed then remove them after to allow access.

      I also weight the bottom shelf down on mine with a paving slab, but I have found in very strong winds the framework itself can be blown apart. Thats just the nature of blow aways though. If I was going to continue using these two blow aways next year I would get some duct tape and tape the framework joints together.

      And finally over one windy weekend last winter, I removed all plants and moved the blow aways into the greenhouse till the weather had passed, I keep my plants on big trays in the blow-aways to make emptying easier.

      Steve...:)
       
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      'Gut instinct' suggests that if you have an opening of some sort at opposite sides (or ends) of a structure, then wind resistance should be reduced. Never having had one though, not sure how practical this would be for a plastic greenhouse.
       
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      Thanks for your quick replies :dbgrtmb:

      John,
      it's already close to the house (12") and although I had already zipped it up the wind has opened it up again. The zip is now connected at the top and the bottom and open all down its length. :(

      Harry, Flowerpot and Bilbo,
      there's nothing to tie to and I can't use ground screws as it's on the patio. :DOH:

      Steve,
      I'm not sure that I want to lean slabs against it just in case they fall and damage the patio. I'd also put it in the greenhouse but there isn't any room for it (or the 1,000 plants Mrs shiney has on the ground in the car port :heehee:). Someone very kindly gave the blow away to us last spring so that we could bring on more plants for our charity. It came in very handy so we are grateful for it. It would be more sheltered in the car port but there isn't any room there either - and a car hasn't been able to get into that for years :D

      Fidgetsmum,
      I suppose that might work :thumbsup: except the wind would get trapped under the roof. I could cut a hole in the roof as well :loll:

      I have plenty of slabs and part slabs that I can add so I'll place more on the bottom and leave the top empty. :thumb:
       
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      Shiney, would it be possible to re-site it against the garage or somewhere
      I had a blow away that blew away
      When I got my green house, I have my blow away against a fence, with a cord tied around the top half around the blow away and the fence. two paving stones on the base rails ,one each side
      I just use it now for keeping my tools, plant pots and some compost in, with a couple of cuttings in trays
      It has survived the 80mph gales we had last night

      Jack McH
       
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        Will be putting my blow away inside the new greenhouse for the winter:dbgrtmb:
         
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          That is cheating is it not ?, think of the wasted space man

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          Jack,
          I don't have a garage :heehee:. The blow away is close to the wall of the house so is protected from that direction but there is nothing to attach any cords to.

          The extra slabs on the bottom seem to have worked :dbgrtmb:
           
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          Shiney, I had a 'blowaway' for a couple of years and put some rocks at the bottom on the side struts. Yes the greenhouse stayed where it was, but the wind tore the cover to shreds instead. I binned it! :)
           
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          Well, if mine gets shredded I can then use the framework as a sales display for open day :dbgrtmb:
           
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            Don't bin it, i saw replacement covers for these Greenhouses, about £12 for my one that stands with 3 shelfs, didn't buy it though as mines still ok at the moment, now don't ask where i saw them covers as i can't remember now :scratch: if i do remember i will post where they sell them :)
             
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