Victorian kitchen garden

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    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    The hygiene certainly wasn't perfect in those days, Clara Lou. My family has an extensive diary collection going back to the 17th century as the Devonshire family encouraged the education of reading and writing to help them run the estate . One of the perks of some of my ancestors was to live in a cottage called the Russian Cottage which was given to the 6th Duke of Devonshire by the Tsar Nicholas in 1855. That cottage still stands in a more isolated place away from the estate village of Endsor.

    Several of my ancestors were house servants and there was mention of there being a bath house and laundry house separate to the Big House. All servants paid for their uniforms and work clothes but were allowed free use of the bath house and laundry, although it is said that the laundry women used to charge even their own family for cleaning their clothes. I suppose it would depend on the House but I think that, in the Devonshire Big House, presentation and hygiene of the servants took pride of place. There were a lot of diseases in those days that spread quickly and caused loss of life that of course are under control today. Not far away from Chatsworth is the village of Eyam, where some of my ancestors lived. That village became infamous in 1665 and known as the Plague Village when it was struck by the Bubonic Plague. The entire village was isolated from the outside and any food or goods for the village were left at quarantine posts and paid for with coins immersed in containers of vinegar.
     
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      I don't know why people don't recognise that such places hold a historical value which once gone can never be brought back.:cry3::cry3:
       
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        I do.....Money!

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          Sad but true, Steve. What people will do for round bits of metal and bits of paper is sad!:cry3::D
           
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            Can't preserve everything from the past ... and its hit & miss what is preserved - no doubt all/many will agree that some things that have been preserved should have been junked in favour of more worthwhile things ... but that's how it is; I'm glad its not me deciding what-to-keep and what-not.

            As the saying goes: "Whoever you vote for the Government always gets in ..."
             
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              Harry's Garden may have gone on, but on a lighter note, just have a look at what they've been upto recently at my college:dbgrtmb:

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              I thought the Tsar did a "no show" at Chatsworth (following the Duke's visit to Peterhof where he was impressed by a fountain the Tsar's had and which then promoted him to build the Emperor Fountain on his return to show-off when the Tsar visited - but he didn't come)

              Maybe that was a different Tsar?

              And I thought I got carried away with some of my projects ... the 8 acres lake that provides water pressure for the Emperor Fountain was dug manually in those days :shocked:
               
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                On reflection I think you are all right
                The modern super rich, just keep it to themselves and put nothing back
                pay the minimum wage for work done, they do not provide a home too as they did back then

                I know Bill Gates of Microsoft fame, puts billions into the world health, but there again he is worth more than the UK Governments GDP x 10 at least he contributes something

                The super rock stars ?
                You would think they would at least provide some sort of shelter scheme/feeding stations for the homeless
                Sir P McCartney for a start, has more than Her Majesty, and could not spend it all in the remaining years of his lifetime, and when it passes to his kids divided by five, They neither could spend it all in Their lifetimes
                This goes for all the other mega rich eat all drink all and pay nowt back to society
                At lease back then these people lived very comfortably but put something back
                Fife alone Andrew Garnegie, and Adam Smith

                Thanks for the post backs, I can now view it all in my new enlightend state and enjoy the Victorian Garden again :)

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                  Thanks, and after now reading your BLOG I think we garden on a different scale :heehee: My 16 square metres :loll:


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                    Up to them what they do with their money ... we can all wish what they might do with it (giving it all to me for example!!)

                    He's got others to follow his lead - Warren Buffet said he had always wanted to do what Bill G is doing with his money, but felt he was too old - so he's given all his to Bill to spend (Money attracts money, eh?!!). Bill has arm twisted some other recently-rich people to become philanthropic. Some have very publicly disagreed with the idea :scratch:

                    Bill G sways governments and large Phamaceutical companies (mostly by embarassing them into matching his donations) and thereby makes even more difference in Africa. But that then becomes a full time job and requires employing a small army of people ... Assuming that someone will be skilled in Philanthropy just because they were skilled in making money in the first place, is not a dead-cert. Giving away huge sums of money is a major undertaking.

                    Its not uncommon for later generations of Super-rich to do the philanthropic work - J.P. Getty III for example - so don't worry too much about the generation that made the money, patience will get it recirculated via Tax, Gambling, Fraud or Philanthropy!
                     
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                      The Tsar didn't actually put the Russian Cottage in his hand baggage, Kristen!!:heehee::D It was sent over land by horse, then by boat and then by horse again, in pieces!!:loll::loll::D You can see it online in the Chatsworth site as it takes pride of place amongst the other buildings on the site.:thumbsup:
                       
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                        Come on Jack, have a look at the tax rates of the 60s and 70s then try to say McCartney hasn't given anything to the country...!
                         
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                          Amazing! The Ikea Tsar eh?!! I'm sure your family appreciated it, but I reckon the Duke would have preferred Faberge Eggs !!
                           
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                            Yeah yeah yeah, 90% tax,
                            Though I mean to the PEOPLE like Elenor Rigby, or eradicate TB from the UK AGAIN
                            Or Cancer research sort it once and for all

                            Maybe he does give , Then he is too reticent about it, as are the dozens of other mega rich pop song writers


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                            I think "super-tax" back then was 98%

                            You know? or you don't know? If you don't know probably best not to assume I reckon. The info will be on the internet somewhere, unless he gives anonymously ...
                             
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