Water Conservation Gardening

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    Israel has spend decades researching the best ways to conserve water for crops ... and they use drip irrigation (cheap and easy to install .... you can buy the perforated hose for cheap) ... they have turned deserts into farms



    I worked on a kibbutz when I was a student .... they also used polytunnels (the small plastic ones that are approx 1m high and have wire frames) .... you use a lot less water and is ideal for your vegetable growing
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    I'd be a bit reluctant to use bath water on plants if it were not filtered, ....soap, shampoo, hair conditioners etc may not be a good thing, (also bearing in mind that many people clean out the bath with strong chemicals that contain bleach)

    but I'm just guessing
     
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      To save water with hanging baskets I use the two trug system. Two large trugs with bricks in the bottom to raise the basket from the bottom. One filled nearly to the top with water. Place basket in wet trug and leave to soak, once finished place into dry trug to drain. When enough water's collected in the dry trug I just top back up the wet trug.

      Pros, all the water goes to the plant, uses a surprisingly small amount of water.

      Cons; unsuitable for some for physical reasons, not ideal for double/totally under planted pots
       
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      I'm going to be able to divert the bathroom water into a water butt as the waste pipe exits through the wall and down. I reckon that if I cut the pipe 20cm above the butt and mount a hanging basket under it I should have a fairly effective filter. What to fill it with though? I'm wondering about filling it with charcoal. I also wonder if there will be any benefit to rigging up some kind of charcoal filter at the bottom that the drain tap will operate through - fill the bottom with charcoal with a layer of gravel on top of it maybe?

      Below is a (useful) link regarding drought tolerant plants which may be relevant as the year progresses.................

      http://www.themediterraneangardener.co.uk/drought-tolerant-plants/
       
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      I'm going to try to avoid having loads of things in pots. (I say this every year.....) And I'm chucking out the few hanging baskets that I have.

      Try to avoid raising lots of small annuals that need a lot of water to keep them alive/get them going when planted out in June/July.

      I need to plant out earlier when there is more chance of natural moisture.

      On the allotment I'm considering covering the beds with plastic, then planting into holes cut into it - only really works for things like courgettes/squash that are already planted out quite big. For things that need direct sowing I think it's going to be best to sow early and hope things have germinated before the chance of a hot, dry spell in late April/May. Mulching over damp soil with layers of newspaper would be cheap and fairly quick to do. Best done on a damp day to make the newspaper stay down and not blow about.

      I've already been using grey water from the house for years - mainly on ornamentals but it doesn't seem to do things any harm.
       
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      Hi Mahdahhlia
      I've been using the plastic pourous membrane for years. I plant runner beans, cougettes, squash, tomatoes, sweetcorn, and a number of other things, through it. Last year I even grew giant onions through it. Most things can be grown through it with a little bit of planning. :dbgrtmb:
       
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      i have use bath water every year put in to water butts with some farm yard manure in a old sack and i have had no probs with it
       
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      What do you buy? Is it special stuff from the garden centre or a bit of screeding plastic, or something else?
       
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      It's a special pourous weed control plastic (I'm not keen on the fabric type) and was pretty cheap when I bought mine years ago. I've had a quick look on the web and this is an example. I also saw it advertised on Amazon at £45 for 1m x 100m.

      http://www.megatradestore.com/Garde...0m___uses_include_weed_control_for_the_garden

      You'll also need to think of how you would keep it down against the wind blowing it away. I originally made heavy duty wire hooks to peg it to the ground but they gradually got lost over the years when I rolled it back for it's winter dig. A lot of people just pile soil along the edges but that tends to make it muddy. I now use old bricks spaced about 1m apart around the edges. The other advantage with growing veg through it is that when the ground is wet you're not walking on muddy ground. So even if it's raining you can pop out in ordinary shoes and pick some veg.
       
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      It's called Mypex if you're googling it.

      Wilkos sell a 2 x 6m sheet that's much heavier duty than the standard stuff for £8.98 and 75p/m2 http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/grow-your-own-products/wilko-mulch-sheet-2mx6m/invt/0299006/?htxt=0QylqvLN0H7Fw6pwG889H5XfSLbCgmw3xjdLq02Cuw81rJLjjEMbMTrxSs1s5qn+3AmBsAdeJoVc UDFJV+zZSg==

      If you order it online this weekend and collect instore, there's a £5 off £50 order until 22nd March) here:

      http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/...scounts-offers-good-old-freebies.39667/page-2

      I've just ordered six packs (have 4 already) to collect instore to get my £5 off. The pack weighs just under 1.8kg, so it's nearly 150g/m2 - check that out against stuff on ebay & Amazon.

      I peg mine down with U shaped clips made from car boot sale fencing straining wire, will take some pics tommorow.

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      The stuff I used isn't particularly heavy duty and was pretty cheap. It still looks as good as new after approx 8-10 years (apart from the holes I have cut in it). The holes can be closed up as I cut an X and fold the triangles under to form the hole. To close the hole (more or less) I just unfold the triangles. You can just see a few holes I closed up in the middle row of the middle section - nearer the camera.

      The clips I used were similar to those Scrungee described but I don't bother anymore as old bricks are much easier.

      This is a picture, taken in January, of one area I have dug over and dug in about 6" of compost. That's why it looks lumpy but it will gradually settle. If you live in an area where it has been raining a lot you can usually still dig because, although the membrane is pourous, it's unlikely to be too soggy underneath.

      I have another area to the right which I also have the membrane and the space inbetween I keep uncovered because it is full of lots of self-seeded flowers (lychnis, aquilegia, verbascum Chaxii, etc) and I just dot veggies around the flowers.

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      These show the membrane in use plus part of the self-seeded area of the veg plot.

      Beans and toms planted
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      Later in the season with beans, toms and courgettes visible
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      Some of the self-seeded aquilegia
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        Here's some I used on an overgrown plot I brought back into use last spring. The ground was brushcut, rotavated several times, compost/manure added, and raked level to receive the mulch sheets. It was done (as I tend to do everything) in 4m wide beds to suit the width of mulch sheet I normally use:

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        Then the mulch sheet was laid. N.B. The 2nd pic was actually taken at the end of the growing season after the toms had finished (some of my straw on newspaper mulch in there as well):

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        And the sheets were lifted for the winter/crop rotation:

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        Heavy duty black polythene dpm also does the job, but being impervious rainwater will pond on top (unless you ridge the soil and have the hole in the furrows) making it extremely unpleasant if you kneel on it as all the water immediatly runs staright towards you:

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        And after lifting:

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        In addition to wire pegs (essential on my exposed plot), old car tyres can be used to both help hold down mulch and for planting stuff like marrows in that will receive some shelter until they scarmble out:

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        So no weeding, greatly reduced watering, plus I find everything planted through mulch grows better than in bare ground. Must try onions & leeks some time.
         
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        I agree that they grow better through it :dbgrtmb: . The other advantage, if you cover the ground again after digging and composting, is that the ground warms up much more in the spring.

        You can also grow potatoes under the membrane and won't need to earth up - I did it during the drought of '76 using black bin bags (pure co-incidence that I started it that year). The ground was dug deeply with lots of compost and the pots were planted fairly deep. As the plastic wasn't pourous I had to water through the holes but it worked very well. The plants found their own way up through the holes and grew much quicker than usual. When we needed potatoes I rolled the edge of the plastic back, rummaged carefully around by hand and picked off the larger ones whilst leaving the smaller ones on the same plant to continue growing. Quite a few grew on the surface but were OK because there was no light getting to them.
         
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        That additional warmth is one of the reason they grow better. Colin Randal of T&M was telling somebody last month that butternut squashes grow better through plastic mulch because of the warmth. But he didn't know that because it retains warmth you can get a frost on it before anywhere else. I sometimes see frost on my mulch sheets, but nowhere else on the plot.

        I chuck loads of stable straw on my spuds to mulch them after they've been earthed up.
         
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        I heard on the radio that we've had less water in S/England than ayres rock (in a year) !??
        Because I'm growing in pots I dont use a hose (much)..but I know some people nearby who will ignore the hose-ban...
         
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