Dublin Bay - Cut it back or not?

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  1. patch

    patch Apprentice Gardener

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    Hi,

    Bought a DB rose last year nad have it in a container popt. Seemed to do well last year and bloomed pretty well. Now it's looking really 'sticky' and I wondered whether I should cut it back before the growing season or not?

    Anyone help?
     
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    Dublin Bay glorious Vigorous Red Climber IMHO it would be the last Rose I would attempt to grow in a container,let it free, plant it now in the ground,but if this is not possible ,you will need at least half a Barrel
    to put it in,and John Innes No 3 .As a general rule I wouldn't cut back any climber for its first 2 to 3 years.Cannot see it improving under its present conditions.Hope this has helped you.:)

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  3. patch

    patch Apprentice Gardener

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    thanks wiseoldowl,

    it's not possible to plant it in the ground ... I'll get some JI #3.
     
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    Yor most welcome Patch :) If you get the Time please let me know how your beautiful Rose is progressing.Thank you:)
     
  5. theplantman

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    Not a big rose grower and certanly not in containers....WOO would appreciate your thoughts...the idea of putting rose or shrub, into just john innes no 3 doesnt seem right to me (i know its recomended and people have been doing it for years but stil...), I would mix at least 40 general purpose too, its just seems to get a better texture this way...I know one down side to this is that compost will shrink over time but i feel this can be ovecome with regular topdressing. This is something i have thought about fora while and tend to reccomend the mix I suggested....I would really appreciate your thoughts
     
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    Hi Plantsman I appreciate your input and interest:thmb: Let me explain I often quote in giving my Rose advice in many of the Threads.



    Every Rose grower and indeed every gardener has found over the years the best method that suits them and in their opinion gives them the best results.There is in my honest opinion no one way to grow and nurture any Rose.

    I,ll certainly not suggest that you are wrong and I am right :)

    I just feel that their is naturally enough Fertiliser already in John Innes No 3 ,but to add another 40% of general purpose to it ,then to me It would no longer be John Innes No 3 as I would be altering the complete structure of it,But I will repeat that is only the way that I plant my roses in containers:)
    I do hope that this explanation of my thinking goes someway to helping you in this matter:)
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    [align=left]John Innes No 3
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    A richer mixture for final re-potting of gross feeding vegetable plants and for mature foliage plants and shrubs in interior planters or outdoor containers.
    7 Loam
    3 Peat
    2 Sand
    each cubic metre of mix, add
    0.6kg ground limestone
    3.6kg hoof and horn meal
    3.6kg superphosphate1.8kg potassium sulphate

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    [align=center]The ingredients for John Innes
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    Loam is the most important ingredient in the compost as it provides the main "body" of the compost. It also forms the base of plant nutrition by supplying clay, which has a cation and anion exchange capacity, that is, it absorbs and releases plant nutrients as required. Loam also contains essential micro-elements and some organic matter which provides a slow release of nitrogen to the plant.
    Peat
    Sphagnum Moss Peat in the John Innes Compost increases the total porosity and improves both the aeration and the water-retaining capacity. Peat decomposes slowly into humus.
    Sand
    The coarse sand or grit is used as a physical conditioner to allow excess water to drain from the compost and thus prevent water-logging. It also helps to provide stability for larger plants.
    Fertiliser
    The compound fertiliser in John Innes Compost provides a wide spectrum of plant nutrients needed for balanced growth, including Nitrogen- for top growth Phosphates- for root growth Potash- for flowering and Trace Elements- for optimal growth, colour :)
     
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    thanks woo much appreciated...I like to think I very much share your, whatever works for you attitiude...I have seen too many times, people doing something completly at odds with 'recognised wisdom', to think their is a right and wrong when it comes to gardening. Itake on board everything you say about the JI 3....but i think ill find not to add the compost.
     
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