Page load times are slow

Ah ... subtle spelling that I overlooked:

that might explain it!

Here's my Ping (with Google for comparison, I have business contention, so probably better than yours, but we have STACKS of junk sitting on our connection, so it probably isn't a good comparison for latency - but the Hops will be "fair" acessment I would think.

Pinging gardenerscorner.co.uk [174.122.55.179] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 174.122.55.179: bytes=32 time=161ms TTL=46
Reply from 174.122.55.179: bytes=32 time=169ms TTL=46
Reply from 174.122.55.179: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=46
Reply from 174.122.55.179: bytes=32 time=174ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 174.122.55.179:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 161ms, Maximum = 174ms, Average = 169ms

Pinging google.co.uk [173.194.78.94] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.194.78.94: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=47
Reply from 173.194.78.94: bytes=32 time=57ms TTL=47
Reply from 173.194.78.94: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=47
Reply from 173.194.78.94: bytes=32 time=57ms TTL=47

Ping statistics for 173.194.78.94:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 55ms, Maximum = 62ms, Average = 57ms

Tracing route to gardenerscorner.co.uk [174.122.55.179]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.254
3 50 ms 45 ms 45 ms losubs.subs.dsl1.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk [62.3.82.17]
4 45 ms 55 ms 47 ms ae0.136.dr1.mbr-roch.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.137]
5 46 ms 45 ms 47 ms ae2-0.cr1.kp-leeds.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.70]
6 43 ms 45 ms 46 ms ge-3-1-0-0.cr2.kp-leeds.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.74]
7 52 ms 50 ms 51 ms ge-3-0-0-0.cr1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.78]
8 51 ms 49 ms 51 ms ge-2-0-0-0.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.42]
9 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms xe-0-4-0-7.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [83.231.235.229]
10 95 ms 48 ms 52 ms ae-4.r22.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.24]
11 138 ms 120 ms 128 ms as-0.r22.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.254]
12 138 ms 130 ms 127 ms ae-2.r05.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.173]
13 122 ms 121 ms 120 ms xe-1-0-0.bbr01.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com [165.254.16.2]
14 119 ms 129 ms 123 ms ae7.bbr02.tl01.nyc01.networklayer.com [173.192.18.177]
15 151 ms 149 ms 153 ms ae1.bbr01.eq01.chi01.networklayer.com [173.192.18.132]
16 167 ms 166 ms 170 ms ae20.bbr01.eq01.dal03.networklayer.com [173.192.18.136]
17 178 ms 167 ms 164 ms po31.dsr02.dllstx3.networklayer.com [173.192.18.227]
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 171 ms 161 ms 163 ms te4-1.car16.dllstx6.networklayer.com [70.87.255.22]
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 168 ms 174 ms 170 ms gar.gardenerscorner.co.uk [174.122.55.179]

Trace complete.

 

If I understood all that, I'd probably be a very dangerous woman!

my ping rate is not just okay, it's fast!

 

i could be isp related between our usa server and a uk isp

I'm with talk talk and its very fast here (and thats saying something as talk talk is dismal speedwise!)

 

The page Gardeners Corner got an overall PageSpeed Score of 87 (out of 100).

thats pretty fast according to google speed test

 

I wonder if any of the recent site upgrades might be affecting site speed for some?

For example, are the RSS news feeds set to update whenever something new is posted or on a timed cron job? Or, could the new iphone tech here be affecting things?

Anything else new that might be affecting things?

This topic appears to be half and half with members...slow or normal. (Just using that as a ball park guage of speed).

Steve...

 

If the site is hosted in USA I would think there could eb an enormous difference depending on what routing ISPs use to get to the USA. I have no idea how that is done, but perhaps some of the more performant ones are using better, faster, more expensive??, "pipes" to USA? (or maybe all ISPs just go out on the same "backbone" to get to USA - although Steve's TraceRoute is clearly different to mine).

Not sure I read much into Google's speed report - maybe Google started [routing] in the USA? or has access to a better pipe [than members] to get to the USA ? or Google is not bothering to do the Javascript / Java bits that make up the page?

 

I have almost stopped using this site now because of the slowness of it all, and it must be putting off new members, who can go to other sites and not have this problem, its easy to blame this, that or the other, but the bottom line is, I dont have this problem with any other site I use, only this one (sorry but gust being honest about it)

 

I still want to use this site, but I too worry about members present and future who may be put off by whatever is causing this problem here.

Steve...

 

How does you PING / TraceRoute, compare with other Forums you use?

(Although the NETWORK tab of Chrome's "Inspect Element" or FireFox's FireBug DEV tools might be a more useful total-elapsed-time for page to draw, as I suspect that some/much of the page is "acquired" by AJAX after the initial page loads, and PING is only going to give you an indication of initial page load time, not the total number of round trips that the page actually has to make).

Maybe the reason I don't notice it so much is my browsing style? I do this:

Refresh the WATCHED THREADS page. RightClick + OpenInNewTab on each thread listed, working my way down the list. I then have N-Tabs to read. By the time I've finished RightClick-ing the list and reached the bottom the first TAB will have finished loading. I then read that first TAB, reply if I like, then close the TAB and read the next one. When I get to the end of the TABs I may refresh the WATCHED THREADs page, or do a similar exercise with the WHAT's NEW link.

 

I did the ping and tracert mainly because in the past the first response to anyone saying a site is slow is (anywhere online) "Everything is ok here, it must be your computer" so I iron out that possibilty straight away by posting the ping/tracert, showing my PC is getting out onto the net ok. There is a speed issue but it's caused I think by something here, I can say that confidently as the second part of the problem I'm experiencing is that page loads dont happen and go back to the forum index page for no apparent reason, and this happens randomly. Some scripting flaw somewhere I guess and I'm guessing (again) it's something that has recently been initiated here on GC.

For example I know from personal experience that RSS feeds to topics can in general hog bandwidth if left to self check and update, better on a timed hourly cron job. But that has been working well for quite some time and I have read those topics with ease, indeed my problems only started yesterday morning.

And I have no idea how iphone compatibility works with forums having never implemented that stuff before, but that is (I think) the last major change here at GC and a possibility for problems, especially if changes to the core code of Xenforo where made to get it working.

Steve...

 

The iPhone thing only triggers if the member browses with a mobile device, has everyone got the latest java update?

 

Aha...just tried to quote you Richard and received my first reportable error..



and....Yup..I have the latest Java.

Steve...

 

I've seen that message from time to time.
I just ignored it, but it is annoying when it happens.

 

This is no consolation to those with the problem, but possibly some help for diagnosis.

I can't ever remember following a link and after some delay getting the forum index page. As a wild guess I would suggest that some AJAX routine has been initiated and timed out, and the "fall back" action is to route to the forum index page (seems a little weird as a fallback though, maybe its the default page for a server-error default page, or server-busy page, or something like that?)

I have seen some serve-error panels in the past, but I can't remember the last time, and I can't remember seeing one that specifically said "Error message is in the Java console" - but that's just relying on my memory, although I am confident I haven't seen that message recently.

If you have Chrome you can look in the Javascript Console (RightClick - Inspect Element - and then there is an icon in bottom left corner that looks like [>=] to get the Console visible). Similar facility in FireFox (probably need FireBug to see it). No such Console in IE (AFAIK). Hopefully that will contain a useful diagnostic message.