Why English is so hard to learn

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  1. clueless1

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    We'll begin with a box, the plural is boxes.
    But the plural of ox is oxen, not oxes.
    One fowl is a goose, and two are called geese,
    yet the plural of moose is never called meese.

    You may find a lone mouse, or a house full of mice,
    but the plural of house is houses not hice.
    The plural of man is always men,
    but the plural of pan is never pen.

    If I speak of a foot and you show me two feet,
    and I give you a book would a pair be a beek?
    If one is a tooth and a whole set are called teeth,
    Why should not two booths be called beeth?

    If the singular is this and the plural is these,
    should the plural of kiss ever be keese?

    We speak of a brother and also of brethren,
    but though we say mother we never say methren.
    The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
    are the feminine, she, shis and shim?
     
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      actually, compaired to the Italian Grammar, the English one is a breath of fresh air.

      For instance when you speak to a person that you know well you use "tu", if you don't know him/her well you use "lei" and if you need to be very respectful you use "voi". This last form is used more in the south of the Country and it is becoming less and less frequent.

      Infact when a person starts being friend with somebody they will say:"you can address me with 'tu'", if you like.

      My mother family is from Tuscany and my cousin wife adresses his mother in law with "voi".

      This is just a small example in a jungle of complicated rules.
       
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        Yeah, I know exactly what you mean there:biggrin::dunno:
         
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          I have loved the English language since being able speak my first words as a child. It has it's idiosyncrasies like all languages but most of the world's greatest plays, songs, poems and books are written and spoken in it. For me it's very definitive and exact and can be used educate, give instructions clearly and concisely, tell a joke in either an outrageous style or one that is subtle and you have to think to get the point, tell a story that will make people laugh, smile, gasp, cry because of the unique emotive ability of the English language.
          You can paint a picture in people's minds with the English language that no other language can do. I've always read avidly from being young and revelled in being transported to other times, countries or worlds by books, so for me the English language can be a beautiful thing if used properly.......let's face it, it's the most used language in the World so there must be something in it that the whole world appreciates.:coffee:
           
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            As I dont speak another language I find it strange that we need to go into the detail of grammar.
            You learn to speak from an early age, and mostly its picked up as you go along.

            I only came across grammar at secondary school, and believe it or not I could mostly make myself understood well before then:biggrin:

            Is it really necessary to understand the grammar of another language in order to learn it?
            I mean, dont they make the whole thing of learning a language difficult, but quoting the rules?
             
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              The thing about language is that while there are basic grammar "rules" in every language they can, and are bent, to suit a situation. Grammar is not the "be all or end all" of a language nor should it deter people from learning a language. Some of the grammar stuffed into you while at School is never used unless you're doing a degree in Literature!!! Some people get stressed, frustrated or have a phobia when reading, or listening to, other people's words because they need the order that grammar sometimes brings to a conversation or piece of writing. The English language is one that will always subject to change with the addition of new words and loss of others due to the expansion of it's use. Some people need grammar to give order to a language while other people don't. Correct spelling and grammar is useful but it's not a vital thing in every day life as we all communicate to each other easily enough, and in fact, more importantly doesn't improve us as a person, doesn't define our intelligence or character. One man's tomato is another's Tarmartoe and that's what make this world so interesting.:snork:
               
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                The English language confuses me, and I've been English all my life:)

                I know the plural of sheep is still sheep.
                I think the plural of fish is still fish, and deer is deer.
                I don't get why I can walk into a field full of sheep, deer, horses, or cattle. Why not sheeps, deers, horses, and just cows. That last one, if we've already got a proper plural for cow which is cows, then why do we need cattle?
                 
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                'cos cattle defines both genders of the beasts when they're in a herd:heehee:
                 
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                  I'm guessing that Cow & Cattle come from different languages. Pretty sure Cow comes from Saxon.

                  I remember a prog from years back that said that when the Saxons revisited Britain, the language had evolved from theirs to the extent that they knew they were both talking about cows, but couldn't understand how many were being talked about.
                   
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                    Looking in my books it appears that the word "cattle" came from the old French word catel, which came from latin caput and originally referred to personal property that moved!!!
                    The word "cow" does origin partly from the Anglo-Saxons but their language was "corrupted" by the many invaders and visitors to the Isles so the word could be a mutation of their original term for a beast.:dunno:
                     
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                    oops, I saw the title and thought you meant this....

                     
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                      Cattle defines the type of animal, a cow is female, a bull is male. So in effect when you say a field full of cows, it's not strictly true, because there may be males there too.

                      Cattle is also the last name of my daughters other half, I don't think he'd like to be called a cow. :heehee:
                       
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                        So in this case name terms are a load of Bull???:heehee:
                         
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                        Just using the English Language as eloquently as I could, Sheal:dunno::heehee:
                         
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