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    A bit later than planned, but the estate agents are finally coming round next Wednesday... is there anything I should know regarding negotiating their commission?

    If the agents pop your details on 'right move', is there much of an advantage going multi-agent?
     
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    They usually make a reduction for sole agency, but if you want a quick sale this isn't really an option. :)
     
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    Thanks Sheal... I'll see what they say Wednesday and go from there. Dreading having to keep the house spic and span in case of a short notice viewer... blasted dog don't help!
     
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      Firstly, ask them what their fees are, sounds so obvious but people seldom do. As Sheal says, there's often (and I would expect) a reduction for sole agency. Fees vary enormously throughout the country and can range from 1% up to a whopping 3.5%. Make sure you ask the Agent what's included in the fee (although by law he should tell you).

      Other things you can do ....

      Find a 'fixed price' Agency - some places do handle properties for a fixed fee no matter how much it actually sells for.

      I'd get 3 quotes from 3 different Agents, tell each you're getting other Agents in and see if that makes one of 'em think about dropping their fee - nothing like a bit of healthy competition!

      Haggle, haggle, haggle. Yeah, I know, we're Brits, we don't 'do' haggling, we tend to hear the fee go 'Oh, I see, well OK, if that's what you charge ... that's what you charge' whilst inside seething at what we see as 'easy money'. However, in the current economic climate Estate Agents are desperate for people to buy and sell houses so, when he says 'We charge 2% ...' and then suggests putting your house on the market for (say) £190,000 - look confused and slightly aghast and say '£3,800? ... ' pause, then add '.... is that the best you can do?' then say nothing until he brings his commission down a bit.

      Personally, I wouldn't use an online Agent all sorts of horror stories therein lie.

      Just one other suggestion - once you've got a valuation that seems reasonable (bearing in mind your location, buoyancy of the market in your area, price of comparable properties etc., etc.) go to your Solicitor and ask him for an estimate of his fees for the conveyancing - he won't mind and it's something else you can factor in when deciding which estate agent to use.

      Of course there is always Plan B - remember, whilst you wouldn't want to sell and buy property without involving a Solicitor (unless of course you are one), you don't have to employ an Estate Agent and .. it's not illegal to have someone come and look at your house, make you an offer and for you to say, 'Well, I'll accept your offer if we do it without involving the Estate Agent.'
       
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      Many thanks for the useful information Fidgetsmum. I'll give some feedback once I've spoken to the first agents. I know that I'll hate the feeling of being in limbo until the property sells.
       
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      Good luck to you Kazzie.
       
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      I started to type quite a bit of info but then remembered this :doh:

      http://www.which.co.uk/money/mortga...s/how-to-sell-a-house/estate-agent-contracts/


      If you do sign a sole agency you need to check with them how quickly they will have the details, and photos, advertised. Make sure it's a reasonable time. It should go out to prospective purchasers within a week (make sure you ask to approve the copy first), on the net within a week and in the papers within two to three weeks.

      Also ask them how quickly they think they will get the first viewing and tell them that if they don't get a viewer within a month you reserve the right to cancel the contract.

      I'm the client from hell when it comes to legal documents :heehee:

      All businesses and organisations write their contracts to be in their favour. There's nothing wrong with that but they have to be prepared to have them altered if you push hard enough. That's business.

      As your property is a higher bracket one I would not be prepared to accept any charges above 1%. For sole agency I would aim at .75% but it does lower their incentive to sell the property.

      Good luck :blue thumb:
       
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        Many thanks for that Shiney... an excellent link.
         
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        2 chaps arrived from the same agent and had a wander round. I bought the house through them, so they wanted me to point out any changes I've made (lol, so they can tweak their previous info). Anyway, when it got to that tricky part - valuation and commission, they said that it would be 1.5% for sole agency. There is no way I'd go above 1%, but I didn't say anything other than I have another agent coming round and I'll be in touch. The valuation was also incredibly vague, so I'm none the wiser.
         
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        Ah, y'see there's the rub. Property, as with everything else, is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. I've known people say '... they reckon my house is worth ...' without realising that that extra 5K they've stuck on the price means extra commission for them or, that whilst it's nice to believe their house is worth more than an identical one for sale two streets away, it's not so nice when the other house is sold while theirs struggles to attract viewers.
         
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        You need to get a pretty firm valuation from them otherwise you won't be able to compare them.

        They will be torn between quoting, and trying to get, as high a price as possible (more commission for them) and quoting a low price in order to get a quick sale and get their commission in as quickly as possible. So, how well their business is doing at the moment can affect their quotation.

        Having said that, they should still be trying to give as professional a service as possible.

        You should also do a bit of checking on the agents that are coming in. Although it may not make a big difference, the position of their shop front and how it looks can make a difference to how many prospective buyers they may pull in.

        Unless you've only been in there a short time I'm a bit puzzled about why they wanted to know what you had altered. Their valuation should be based on the current market so just upgrading it for the alterations is a lazy way to go. If it was just so that they needn't do the measuring etc then that is also lazy and not the way to do it. They shouldn't be taking your word for it!
         
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        Have a look on Zoopla (there are other websites as well like nethouseprices) to see how much neighbour's have sold for, also Zoopla will give you an estimate. Prospective buyers can obviously see this same info for free, so your valuation should be similar to the Zoopla estimate, hmmmm, why do we need these parasite agents in this day and age?
         
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        Because sites like Zoopla can be massively inaccurate at times! :hate-shocked: They don't take into account what may be happening, or about to happen, in the surrounding area and the homeowner can influence the valuation by stretching the truth - as the agents do. :heehee:
         
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        This will be my 7th move... you'd think I would have some clue by now on how things are done! But, everything feels different this time round... maybe it's because it is the first time I've tried to sell when the house market is generally struggling.

        I'm waiting for the second agent to call me back to confirm a visit tomorrow.

        For me, Zoopla is hopeless because I've made a great deal of expensive improvements to the property and I honestly don't know whether the work has had any impact on the value. It is also difficult to compare the house price to others selling in the area. It feels terribly confusing at the moment.

        The shop front position of the local agent is reasonable... they have a very small chain of offices in this county. They said they have an office in London too, but I couldn't find it on a street search (not saying there isn't one, but I've heard that some agents use London addresses).
         
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