Two IDs, one tree, one bush

Any ideas?

Number 1:





Number 2:

 

Both Viburnums.......the first could be V carlesii.

 

You're laughing! Was it just easy peasy, or does it look a bit out of control...

 

I'm going for no.2 being Viburnum bodnantense 'Dawn', 'Tinus' would be smoother, darker, glossier leaves. 'Dawn' is deciduous and flowers early in the year before the leaves appear, 'Tinus' is evergreen.

There is a possibility that No.1 could be a variety of Sorbus as it looks more tree like in shape, one the Whitebeam species???, if not then another variety of Viburnum

 

Ha, you are right Bilbo, it is V bodnantense. For some reason when I read tinus I thought bodnantense. .