How has this year affected next year?

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    I am sure I cannot be alone at this time of year in looking at what has been grown this year, and making wee mental notes as to what to bother with in years to come, be it edible crops or otherwise. So, what have you grown that you can't get enough of, or equally what wasn't worth the bother? And what advice/wisdom can we offer each other to make each successive year better than the last?

    For me, I will start as follows:

    Dahlias - love 'em, want more - lots more, especially the big showy ones.

    Nasturtiums - for a plant that is supposed to be as tough as old boots, these have been a nightmare! Patchy/sporadic growth, most aphid infestations than you can shake a stick at, and then complete and utter annihilation by caterpillars; the trailing ones haven't trailed (which makes my troughs on the outhouse roof look a bit odd), and the flowers have been short lived.

    Nicotiana - pretty good, would really like to try the Nicotiana Sylvesetris next year

    Petunias - again, pretty good from seed, despite being a bit of a faff to start with, just need to do more next year.

    Geranium/pelargonium - successful from seed, but not entirely sure that they are worthwhile from seed? Think these may be just as effective as plugs?

    Lobelia - disaster from seed; ended up buying it as plug plants from Homebase in the end; won't bother from seed again, as its too much of a faff

    Malva Zebrina - successful from seed, and reasonably pretty wee things; definitely on the short list for years to come

    Peas & Broad beans - next to useless, particularly when the space is considered. Giving serious consideration to having a few goji berry plants and a few wintergreen plants instead; or maybe garlic followed by additional lettuce space???

    Marmande Tomatoes - cracking! Big, tasty, fleshy fruits and seem to be almost bullet proof; definitely to be grown again.

    Maskotka Tomatoes - stunners! Small, sweet, and tasty; plants are as scruffy as hell, but I couldn't give a monkeys as the fruit are fantastic, especially for such small plants.

    Ailsa Craig Tomotoes - not eaten any yet, but already they are on the 'unlikely' list; not outstanding in any way really, and fruit hasn't been abundant.

    Telegraph cucumbers - these have been a bit fickle (second year growing), and still not sure about the hassle of removing male flowers, however the fruits when they come are huge with a capital F, and according to the women folk of the house they are crunchy and tasty

    Patio Star Courgettes - not enamoured; getting more this year than I did last, but they are in the greenhouse; mildew seems to be par for the course, as does blossom end rot. Going to try a different variety (suggestions please?) next year and if that doesn't work out then they are eliminated.

    Spring onions - I must be starting them too late or something; still not had an edible one from the garden, and starting to question if they are worth the grief?

    Radishes - not sure as I don't eat them. Mrs C said that the skins on the French Breakfast ones was tough, so I have switched to a couple of others (one is Chinese and the other I can't remember), only sown a week ago so too early to tell.

    Lettuce 'Optima' - absolutely again and again; the best tasting lettuce I have had in years!

    Leek, Musselburgh - too early to say for flavour, but look to be as healthy as anyone could reasonably ask :)

    Onions - too much effort for too little return; won't bother again.
     
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      Funny you should mention this. I've been a devout fan of nasturtium for about 10 to 15 years now, yet this year mine have done very poorly. About early July, it should have gone into 'phase 2', sending out tendrils everywhere. It hasn't done it yet. Then I was talking to my sister's chap tonight and quite by chance it was mentioned about the poor start to the year followed by the hot dry spell. So a cold start delaying things, followed by a heatwave putting plants into survival mode. This isn't a 'normal' year.
       
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        I see you are considering Goji berries, I had some & all they did was grow quickly & become a total mess, no berries in fact no flowers either, has anyone had sucess with them?
         
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        Another coincidence. Today I was talking to my sister's chap and he was saying the exact same about goji berries. Loads of scruffy green growth but no flowers or berries.
         
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        Ah, now that is interesting. I had only decided upon them after looking at seeds from James Wong on Suttons website - no point if they are useless then. What about blackcurrants or blackberries - do they need full sun?
         
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        @clueless1 - have your nasturtiums been plagued with aphids and insects more than usual? Mine kept stalling, and each time they stalled I would investigate and find massive blackfly infestations
         
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        I can't say I've noticed. I haven't really looked that closely at them to be honest. Slugs and snails maybe, and what seems to be a record number of butterflies and moths frequent my garden this year, so they (or more specifically, their caterpillars) might be having a go, but nasturtium can normally take all that in my experience. I'm leaning towards it being the weather. Nasturtium is generally not fussy, but it does have two requirements that it insists on. Warmth and moisture. We had a cold start, and then the heat wave came, so they've had the warmth and they've had the moisture, but not really at the same time.

        Mine have been picking up a bit over the last week or so, since I put great piles of seaweed all around the bed. I don't think its relevant that its seaweed, in that I doubt any nutrients have leached yet, but its keeping the sun and wind off the bare soil in between plants, so I guess more moisture is being retained. We'll see what happens over the next week or so.
         
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          No hope of my ones under the tree recovering - the caterpillars that have eaten them have literally destroyed them.
           
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          Yesterday I spotted nasturtium seedlings. A further clue that the weather has set them back, because any seeds from last year that were going to germinate should really have done so by June and been quite established by now.
           
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            Its funny you should mention that, as I have just been looking at stuff to sow over winter, and some of them should really be sown by the end of July, but I was wondering if it was still worth a shot as everything has been so delayed this year. Might have another look and give it a shot.
             
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            My nasturtiums have done really well oddly enough. Trailing like mad they are. Couple of blackfly but I've just been nipping the stem off and in the bin it goes. I'll be spending quite a bit on them next year I think. I would definately says in the weather.

            Re the onions it's been my first year growing them (and veg in general) and they haven't been as good as I though they would be. Not a lot of growth and they've all fallen over pretty much apart from the bolted ones of course.

            Yes Musselburgh looking good so far, might try a different variety again next year however. Honeybear squash look good and plenty of fruit, but not a lot on the Butternuts.

            Tumbling Toms in the hanging basket are doing well, will do they same again next year.

            Lupins - pah! That's all I'm saying.

            Chili's - pah! Not enough room for them - binned.
             
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            Did you start them off indoors? When did you put them out? Are they in a warm spot?

            That will have actually helped. Once nasturtium has built a good set of roots, chopping bit of top growth off just stimulates it to produce more.

            How do you mean? If you mean on seeds, just collect them off this year's plants and store them for next year. I use envelopes for most seeds, but due to sheers numbers off nasturtium, I have in the past used a cardboard box, such as Roses come in. If you collect a lot, put a few in the box, then a couple of layers of kitchen towel, then another layer of seeds, then more kitchen towel and so on, just so that the dampness can escape and they don't rot. I usually choose just a few plants that I think have done best, and collect seeds off those.
             
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            Didn't start them off indoors, I think it was around June time just stuck them in the ground. I will say they are quite sheltered so no wind chill and I haven't watered them either. Just lucky I guess? By spend I mean cash, the ones I planted this year were from a 'Day-Glo' mix so I couldn't choose the colours I wanted. There's a couple of colours I'm after in particular - Moonlight, Empress etc.
             
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            Day-Glo mix were one of the varieties that I planted, starting mine off in the greenhouse before planting out.
             
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            Think *useless* is a bit harsh on the old blueberry :heehee: They often won't berry for the first couple of years and probably not until after 3. Also, people forget they are an acid loving plant and care must be taken with that. Despite being labelled a "superfood", they are not "super quick" to production: that's all. But then, patience is a virtue and a gardeners second nature ;)
             
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