Pruning Zepherine Drouhin

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  1. Hetty

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    We have a Zepherine Drouhin growing over an arch on the back garden. Since we are rubbish gardeners (but trying very hard this year!) she is pretty neglected, although she has bloomed beautifully this year, and smelt divine. I've no idea how to prune her when the time comes (she's been there about 3 years, never been pruned properly), and not even sure is she a climber or an upright bush rose? David Austin says climber, RHS website says prune her as a bush rose. What would you do? Thanks for all advice in advance, very greatful!
     
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    Good afternoon Hetty , This is only the way that I would advise pruning your lovely climbing Bourbon Rose:smile:

    When pruning climbers, the object is to remove canes that are dead, old, or cannot be encouraged to attach to your support structure. I always start at the bottom of the rose, cutting out anything that is dead or damaged. then step back is to assess each cane and remove the older ones. Zephirine Drouhin tends to produce plenty of new canes every year, and she can quickly become a haystack, cut them off right at the base. By removing canes that are 3-or-more years old, you keep her young and flexible, and she produces more flowers. After all, the object of all of this is to create a lovely display of flowers.then step back and assess where you are and where you need to go ,concentrating on keeping the canes that are younger and will attach easily to the your arch. There's no point in keeping a lovely young cane that you can't get onto your arch.,hope this has helped a little:smile:



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      Thank you very much! she really is a beautiful rose, and smells so lovely too. I've been deadheading her all summer, but I'm not sure I'm doing that correctly either..I don't know how far to cut back into the stem when doing that? Also there are a lot of little stems that have no leaves on them where do I cut them back? do I do that just now? just thinking they will be hard to identify when the leaves drop. Will come back with some pics later to show you what I mean. Thank you!
       
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        Good evening Hetty Use sharp secateurs to remove the rose stem, to avoid ripping it. Deadhead blooms as the petals are about to fall off or shortly after. Cut the rose canes at a 45-degree angle 1/4 inch above a leaf set.I do mine everyday,as for the small stems ,are they new growth or old:smile:
         
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          Right, have been out and had a good look at the rose in question, and have watched some videos on youtube. There are some upright canes that are just plain dead, so they need to go I know, which will stimulate new growth. There are a lot of laterals that then have a lot of smaller *branches* coming off them - these are where the problem lies I think. Some of these branches off of the laterals have flowered this year, some are green but show little evidence of growth, some have brown dead tips but are green further down, some are bare but they do have obvious leaf buds which look like they are bursting into life - all of this is compounded by the rose having black leaf spot which means it has lost a lot of it's leaves already making it harder to tell which is which (I know how to deal with the spot/mildew, just haven't been dilligent enough, I hang my head in shame). So, my question is, what do I do with these branches coming off the laterals? Would it be better to cut the laterals back (watched a vid where someone did that) so that new growth comes from them eventually? if so when would I do that? Please forgive me if I am speaking gobbledygook, I acknowledge that I have no clue at all! Have enclosed some pics, not sure they are much use.

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          Good morning Hetty my your learning fast my friend,"laterals" ;) as you know your Rose is almost thornless so that will make your pruning easier,just remember that the laterals(I call them side shoots) are where the blooms will come apart from the dead and diseased main canes I don't advise hard pruning main canes,but you can prune the Side shoots as much as you want,Hetty just stand back in front of your Rose and look at the shape that you want,you really won't hurt it my friend,and the Rose you have is pretty forgiving as are most Roses:smile:
           
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            Thank you, you are extremely kind :) When would be the best time to do this?
             
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              Good morning Hetty you are most welcome my friend,Hetty best time to prune is Oct/Nov or Feb/March that's when I prune mine,when your Rose is dormant,I always choose March incase of a really cold winter and heavy frost,which if pruned in Oct/Nov the frost could damage to the pruned ends,this is only my personal opinnion :smile:if it were me I would remove the 3d's now,Damaged,Dead and Diseased now and just a little tidy up ,is it possible for you when you have the time to take a photo of your beautiful pink rose standing back from it ,not to close, your rose will be fine:smile:
               
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              Thank you WOL :) Here are the pics requested,not sure they will help though! the garden is not as much of a mess as it looks! (hangs head in shame)

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              This is the arch, Zepherine at either side and Honeysuckle at one side too...the foliage on top is mostly all Honeysuckle.

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              This is a nice new healthy lateral.

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              This is a nice new ..I forget what it's called, but it's a new shoot coming from the bud union.
               
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              Hi Hetty your garden looks lovely my friend all cottage'y and comfy ,you should be proud at what you have achieved ,,your Rose looks just great my friend and thank you for sharing your garden with us:ThankYou::smile:
               
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