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  1. Fat Controller

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    In the main, I agree @clueless1, not least as I wouldn't trust a French car as far as the smoke could wisp from it when it was burnt. However, a few things have to be considered when changing, especially if looking at one of the premium German marques, as they have had a good few howlers in the last decade; of course, any car manufacturer can produce a model that is a bit of a dog, the difference is that the premium ones cost a lot more to put right.

    Take the VW Passat for example - anything up to 2005 (the B5.5 shape as below) - these were pretty much bombproof, with the only niggle being blocked plenum drains resulting in the ECU getting a bath, and that was avoidable with a bit of knowledge and a bit of maintenance.

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    Whereas the model that followed it (the B6) well, the words 'poke' and 'pig' spring to mind. Handsome car, but more bugs than a wet tramp

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    Even within the real good ones, lurked some horrors - Audi A4 for example; cracker of a car, and the 1.9 diesel was something of a peach; up to 65-mpg possible, 55-mpg easily so and yet enough beans to ensure that drivers were not left feeling they were driving a slug. The following 2.0 diesel, based on the 1.9 should also be a cracker then....... WRONG! It was so bad, it should have had a plate on the side that said "LIABILITY" on it! Oil pump drives rounding off and oil pump chains snapping (both of which pretty much wrote engines off in their entirety), turbo-chargers eating themselves (£1200 a pop), injector failures (Siemens at £480 each, and there are four in each engine) and plastic inlet manifolds that would end up with oval holes in them where the metal rod for the swirlflaps had worn the plastic away.

    BMW are no better; their 2.0d had the tendency to ingest their swirlflaps wrecking the engine; 5-Series header tanks splitting, and costing the owners over £400 just for the part.

    The upside of buying a premium car is the fact that they are otherwise a bit better in terms of build (interiors etc), and they do seem to be pampered that bit more especially in their early life, which all helps them to be a better bet on the used market.

    As for the likes of Ford? Well, the good thing is that they are like bums - everyone has got one; the bad thing is that they are like bums........... Commonly found, cheap to run, however for the same reason they are not necessarily the best quality
     
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      We've just had a our 05 petrol Scenic MOT'd and it failed. A couple of small things and the CHECK AIRBAG thing, so probably £400 in total I would guess. They said it could be the cable under the seat or a full replacement for £300 (hmm, I wonder which one it's going to be?). Plus it's got an oil leak, the clutch is slipping and it has a few dents/scratches.

      We think we might get it through it's MOT as a minimum and then get rid. What would you recommend? I've been looking at Ford Foci (plural) but maybe not that reliable? Or maybe a Honda Jazz for the right price.

      Any help is appreciated!
       
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      We're looking for a new car this weekend for Mrs L and also looking at a potential Ford. Why is it that cars go for a certain amount and then everything fails at once?! It's like someone pulls a pin or something
       
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        I once had a Clio (about the same age as your Scenic) and occasionally the air bag warning light would come on. The issue with the clio was the connector under the passenger seat, all I had to do was pull it apart and a quick spray with WD40 and it worked again for a few more months. This was well documented on the clio forums I used to belong to.

        Both being Renaults and assuming the Scenic is wired the same as my Clio it might be worth a quick DIY fix. I disconnected the battery first as I don't like messing about with car electrics especially in the airbag area when things are live, also make sure you know your radio code before trying this :)
         
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          The 'check airbag' thing is likely to be the cable under the seat. The electronics for the airbag system are very, very sensitive, so the connector on the cable under the seat has to be a perfect connection. Over time, like any connector, it corrodes and oxides, probably not even visibly noticeable, but noticeable to very sensitive electronics. An honest mechanic will disconnect that, clean it with contact cleaner, re-seat it, and see if that fixes it before asking you to spend any major money on it. A dealer will probably stick it on the computer, take whatever the computer says as gospel, and charge you a fortune.

          But, in any case, its Renault, its nearly 10, and the clutch is slipping and oil is leaking. I believe a clutch kit (supplied and fitted) is likely to be around £300, and once they start to slip, they tend to go quite rapidly (in my experience at least).

          That said, £1500 will buy you a lot of car if you choose wisely. You can have Gothilda for that:) But I'm assume you want something a bit younger than a 17 year old tank, and a but shorter than a bus. What about a nice BMW 3 series? I think I'd steer clear of Ford. I don't think they've built a good car since the Mk2 Escort. Some people tell me that Ford is ok now, but they are usually the same people that constantly bore me with their latest tales of inexpensive but frequent car woes. Remember, Ford = Fix Or Replace Daily.
           
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            Corr really?! What about this? http://www.gumtree.com/p/bmw/2004bmw-compact-316ti/1082114590
             
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            Possibly. I'd see what @longk or @fat controller have to say though. They know their cars better than I do, but certainly if I was after a smaller car (ie smaller than Gothilda), I'd quite fancy a BMW 3 series. Never owned one, but been a passenger in a few. They feel solid and responsive and they're not bad looking. You'd probably want to use independent garages for maintenance though, all dealers are over priced but I've heard BMW dealers are worse than most.
             
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              Ha, Cleveland Street. That's where we got 'Percy' from! I never even realised BMWs were an option. Christina has always been after an Audi.
               
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              Yes, I suppose so JWK. I can put him in the front as longer as there is no airbags though, or I turn them off.
               
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              How did you get to it JWK?
               
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              It's a bit of a pain, right under the seat and I did struggle to bend down and reach due to old age :) If you slide the seat back as far as possible, you should be able to get to it. It might be easier to access it with the door open, kneeling outside.
               
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                Sorry, drifting slightly off topic, you've reminded me of when I scrapped my last 940, dear old Helga. I advertised on a car forum that if anyone wants any easily accessible bits before I call the scrap man, let me know and I'll salvage them. Someone wanted one of the magic electronic boxes, and described its location as inside the dash, behind the glove box. Sounds easy enough I thought. It turned out that the ONLY way I could get to the last two bolts was to stick my legs over the back of the front passenger seat, then hang upside down like a bat with my back arched over the front edge of the seat, head in the footwell, looking up. All this on my drive, for all passers-by to see. I heard some amusing comments. After removing said component, I then got back onto the interweb to quote the part number to the chap that wanted it. Apparently that age of 940s had either of two different ones of these gadgets. One is somehow cleverer than the other, and the one I'd removed after my contorted escapade was the dull boring one, not the version he was hoping it would be, so it was all for nothing (except for the value of hopefully amusing anecdote).
                 
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