Theresa May

Great speech she gave yesterday, a woman to watch!!!!!

 

Sorry, but she is an insane and dangerous person. She wants to impose restrictions on people that 'incite hatred' etc. That sounds fair enough. But from the way she is talking, people would not have to be found guilty of any offence in court. She wants to take us back to the dark ages, where people have to creep about in secret for fear of being branded a witch and punished without trial.

We just need a couple of new laws tightening up current legislation, such as to make it a criminal offence (if it isn't already) to 'incite hatred', and clear guidelines as to what constitutes that sort of thing.

Or, lets flip TM's emphasis a little bit. Saying that she is going to be tougher on those that speak in favour of terrorism and such is a real vote winner. But take what she is saying down to the nuts and bolts, and she is saying that the government/the police/some other agency will decide without trial or guidelines when someone is speaking out of turn. What if I public said I don't like the current government and I think they've done a lot of harm to the country. Is that inciting hatred? Will my internet activity be restricted? What if I said all the immigrants are coming here and taking our jobs (something I don't believe but lets say I said it), there are those that agree, perhaps I'd be encouraging those that agree to stand up. Would I therefore be inciting hatred? Would I be silenced without trial?

The sorry situation we're in is that come next election, Britain is stuffed anyway. The current bunch upset just about everyone, even to the extent of nearly collapsing the entire union. Or theres labour, who ran the country right into the ground, or UKIP, which is just old school conservative. We're stuffed no matter what. Might as well go and live in China.

 

Speeches mean nothing these days, as anybody can say anything.

Hasn't she failed to deliver a single Conservative Party Manifesto promise? And now she makes a speech promising even more stuff that will most probably never happen (again). What's so wonderful about that, it's just what all politicians do before an election, make loads of promises and if elected followed by another load of excuses as to why they've failed to deliver, blaming everything on somebody else.

 

Not if she gets her way.

 

What about Dave's wonderful speech? (NB there's some swearing in this vid)

 

I didn't hear her speech, but I definitely dont agree anyone can say what they like as it is now.

So, and I'm only guessing this is suggesting tightening up on foreigners living here and spouting hatred on street corners, then I would be all for it.

The human rights act and dodgy lawyers combined with the courts tied up in knots for years arguing over points of law etc. needs to stop.

 

Definitely needs keeping an eye on.

 

She was speaking about clamping down on extremism in this Country, we have to take a stand on this, she referred to the schools in Birmingham where the Muslims have taken over and are re-writing the curriculum to suit themselves, @clueless1 I think you are being an ostrich here, this problem needs addressing.

 

Well, as inflation continues to rise considerably faster than wages, soon many of us will be working 14 hours a day and living on rice.

 

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying there isn't a problem that needs to be addressed. I'm saying that the way TM wants to address it is entirely wrong.

She wants to pass judgements without clearly defined guidelines that stand up in court. She wants to restrict people's civil liberties based on such judgements, and she wants to force the problem underground.

The woman is either crazy or simple. At present we can see who is spouting off. Attempting to take away their internet connections to silence them is simply impossible (unless you detain them, or kill them), and all they'll then do is use very easily accessible secure proxies that are much, much harder to monitor. She must know this. If she doesn't then I'd be even more worried about the kind of people that are in charge of our country because not knowing this means she is extremely ill-advised.

She wants to take an approach that will probably be ruled illegal (whether we personally agree with the EU is irrelevant here) as a violation of human rights, and in any case will prove unpopular among those that think of the bigger picture, as policies that attempt to bypass the fair(ish) legal system we have always prove unpopular. She must know that too.

She has not clearly defined who exactly will be on the receiving end of these proposed new changes. People will support her without even considering that they themselves will fall foul of her rules. She can't, under international laws say that only Islamic extremists will be targeted, so it has to be anyone who can be deemed, on a whim, to be extremist. To keep the statisticians and consumers of such stats happy, that means she will have to pick on a good range of others too. That might include you. Or me. Or any of us.

 

At least she has acknowledged that we have a problem and she is prepared to try and do something about it, yet you say she is "dangerous" "insane"? who else has addressed this problem?? no-one, they just hope it will go away and it won't!!! I admire her she has the courage of her convictions and right now we need that. Hmmm, I wonder if she will stand as leader of the Conservative party now that would be a change for the better!!

 

Yes she will and the speech was aimed at getting the activists onside for the forthcoming scrap with Boris due sometime after the 2015 election.
It was also designed to distract from the fact that despite cutting everything in sight they haven't made much if any dent in the deficit.
Interesting that, under the proposals, organisations could be banned if they do one or more of the following

• Spreads, incites or promotes hatred against a person or group
• Seeks to overthrow democracy
• Causes some kind of public harm, such as leaving people in fear and distress.

The third set could be applied to most political parties at some time or the other, organised groups of carol singers, trick or treaters, youth clubs and a number of churches of various denominations. In fact any organisation that the home Secretary takes a dislike to.

 

If the tories were serious about dealing with this issue they would have stopped this type of "independent" school and in fact banned secular schools altogether. If you want to shove religious views down your poor kids throat of any kind, do it outside school hours.

 

There's been many attempts. The key to tackling extremism in the UK is by promoting integration while at the same time making a fair example of those that step over the line.

In the case of the former, for many years now, things have been changing to make reasonable allowances for other people's beliefs and cultures (where it doesn't cause a problem for others). People tend not to hate people that don't make them feel isolated. Imagination, and paranoia runs riot when exclusion denies us real life exposure to those we are suspicious of.

To see proof of what I'm on about, lets forget 'extremism' for a moment, and move onto something more of us are familiar with. Theoretically all of us in fact. Lets consider the old 'kids of today' situation. We all know they're all lazy, disrespectful, violent, knife wielding thieving hoodies. We all know that its not safe to walk down the street at night because a gang of adolescents is waiting to relieve us of our wallets and phones. Yet we also know that when we were kids, we didn't do those things, and I'd bet that most of us know more kids that are not like that than kids that are, yet that suspicion prevails. Because that suspicion prevails, lots of people avoid groups of kids, or automatically assume they're up to no good. Now think back to when you were that age. Probably lots of adults automatically assumed you were up to no good half the time, and possibly you saw adults as another species, worthy only of the contempt and distrust they showed you. Yet when people all mix together without assuming, mutual respect just magically happens (ok, not always, but usually).

The exact same is true in any section of society. If we cast suspicion on people, they will develop contempt for us. If we treat people with at least token respect, 9 times out of 10, they'll give us that back.