Do you trust the government now?

there is nothing new ,as to what is happening in present governments. corruption has been going on for centuries,the only difference is ,we hear about it now ,with the media coverage we have now. we had the so called,( good parliament),who sat in england 1376.they had to reduce corruption in the royal council!!.they did this, but then the so called (bad parliament)came into power , 1377 , influenced by ,prince john of gaunt.who introduced,(the poll tax) sucking the workers dry, which led to the( peasant revolution ). margaret thatcher introduced this poll tax again in the 20th century,we did not have a revolution ,but by god, the country was in some state.
i look at the , mps (who have been caught with there fingers in the honey jar) like a new employee in a job.the older hand will show him the job,the proper way to do it!!! (but then if you do it this way you can increase your bonus (its all within the guide lines ),but we can stretch the guide lines!! then along came the so
called credit crunch/recession/unemployment/housing collapse.
we were then reading cash default figures of billions,bank bail outs,bank bosses getting huge pay outs ,(for failure).we have our
friends and relatives losing there homes/jobs,then along comes the whistleblower to the media, giving us all the expenses claims
by our mps!! (bang) the s*** hits the fan.
if we did not have a recession ,things would be jogging along nicely. we would not have heard about the mps etc.
nothing changes. (the rich get rich ,the poor get poorer). music

 

The problem is, for the politicians, the proletariate, ie, us.are more intelligent, so let`s get rid of the plonkers.
:lollol:

 

Do you trust Politicians now? Did anyone ever trust them "A politician stands only for themselves", we've known this from back in the '60's. Nice to see that the younger generation has learnt it for themselves. Pity they don't listen:D P.G. if your lot got in , they're still politicos. they'll do whats best for them. We're just people to be conned and they laugh at us when we vote for them.
Why do you think they say "vote" When you do, as everybody did at the latest election,they know you're hooked into "the system". Can't believe that so many decent people actually think that they can make a change by voting.

 

Thank goodness the previous government were perfect,caring and sleaze free then....I hope 'experts politicians' from those 'good old days' aren't short memoried, were babes in arms or perhaps fair weathered voters ..
I suppose progress can only be measured in small ways after all..Lets see...I now give computor vouchers to our local school instead of donating pencils,paper and helping repair roof leaks during my weekends when my kids were young...Oh well,at least we will be able to watch our Ministers at Sport in Pink again...:hehe:

 

Going back even further,
~ the destruction and closing of the mines and dockyards up here. A whole culture and two great industries deliberately driven to the wall by Maggie Thatcher.
~ poll tax.
~ selling off all the council housing stock (for which I might be called a hypocrit as I never hesitated to buy my flat!).
~ squandering the wealth of the North Sea Oil.

No, I've never trusted them either!

 

I think the bigger question is, have we ever been able to trust the government? I suspect the answer is no. The key difference here is that modern technology and global communication and interaction means that there is far more potential for them to abuse their position than ever before.

Maggie Thatcher is Satan incarnate, but thankfully during her rein there was no possibility of anyone losing confidential data pertaining to every family in Britain, storing DNA and other identity details of every citizen, young and old, criminal or law abiding, because the technology wasn't there. Certainly there was computers, but the data storage medium for that volume of data would amount to a big tea chest full of tapes, not a couple of CDs. Recording details of people's internet use simply wasn't an issue because the internet (the civilian aspect of it at least) didn't even exist. That same lack of technology also meant we weren't as aware of things as we are now. We had the state controlled BBC and the rather underfunded ITV and that was about it. We were told what the government thought we should be told, and had no means to here anyone else's point of view.

I guess what I'm saying is that things are probably no worse than they ever really were, but we now have the means to know about stuff where we didn't previously.

 

I forgot another terible waste of taxes, Id cards

 

i don't think the conservatives were brilliant in the eighties however I do feel that labor have been farr farr worse.

My allegiance to the conservatives is wavering particularly now UKIP have a decent leadership and are making headway on the basis of sound policy's not personality eg kilroy silk. One thing however is for certain having seen the mess labor have made I will never ever vote for them in my lifetime no matter what policies or leader.

 

I can agree with everything you just said, except that I've never had an allegiance to Cons, but would vote for them rather than Labour simply because I want Labour out, and I used to think Cons were the best chance of making that happen. However now UKIP are gaining ground I lean more towards them, and indeed voted for UKIP in the recent EU elections. I'm sure that if they get into power, then once they've been there for a while they will manage to make as much mess as everyone else has, but at least at first they will have to work hard to prove themselves.

 

Two things about Maggie, She did not destroy the mining industry single handedly, she had help from Arthur Scargill, that was ONE personality clash. Secondly, thanks to Maggie, the working man ( and woman ) could now afford to buy their own home. Where she slipped up, was not allowing the councils to build new housing stock to replace those sold.

 

Fair enough, but Maggie Thatcher was still a nasty piece of work. When the forces came home from the Falklands, she allegedly denied anyone with a clearly noticeable war injury from attending the victory parade because the war was supposed to be a flawless victory. She also introduced poll tax, like council tax except that everyone over 18 had to pay it, rather than just the household being billed.

 

Dai, Clueless. Spot on.:gnthb: