Is this country completely crackers?

In this case it's definitely better to keep quiet then!!

 

Thought along the same lines Fat Controller when I saw it on a news flash over here. But as I am not British and don't have the same feelings of the "royals" as someone born there, I figured to each its own.

 

As this thread is titled "Is this Country completely crackers" this must warrant a place here.

Tracey Emin and her " Unmade Bed"
Copied and pasted:

[ The Tate will announce in the autumn when the bed will go on display.
The piece, which she describes as a self-portrait, was made by Emin in 1998, when she was living in a council flat in Waterloo. It is her own bed, covered in stained sheets, used condoms, blood-stained knickers and empty bottles of alcohol, testimony to a lost weekend after the breakdown of a relationship.
It helped win her Turner Prize nomination in 1999, and was bought the following year for £150,000 by the collector Charles Saatchi,]

Tracey was telling Jonathan Ross that Charles Saatchi telephoned her to say that they have a problem with her "exhibit", apparently the used condoms are going rotten!!!!!

And we call this ART !!!!!!!

 

Im sorry Val but we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one

As i spent many years studying art we were always told that art is whatever you want it to be and its something that expresses ones self or reflects a current situation or provokes emotion or questions and makes people think, it says something or captures somethings beauty or pain or destruction etc

We were never allowed to say something was nice or rubbish we could say if we liked it or not but give reasons and properly analyse it

Tracey emins bed is a take on a self portriat of that time in her life its a snap shot and it captures her lifestyle then. it is art it gets you talking and it gets you thinking. i personally cant stand people who say well i could have done that because then why didnt you. there is always a long journey of thought and exploration to get to pieces like this.

Anyway i kind of think the condoms shouldnt be replaced because them rotting shows that time has moved on and this is in the past. It kind of reflects how that isnt her life anymore and everything moves on and ages and changes

Whether me or you think that is worth that much is another matter but price is always subjective and if someone is willing to pay that then that is how much it is worth and that applies to anything food, clothes, houses, art, cars etc

 

Yes, quite happy to agree to disagree.

 

Me too. Must point out that the following is an opinion and not intended to offend.

Most modern art is pure shino in my opinion. A load of people standing there and say that it gives us an illuminating insight into the tortures of the human condition does not turn something that could have been done better by a four year old into art.
The closest that Emmins bed got to being the work of genius is that she was smart enough to realise that if she talked enough cobblers about it someone would pay through the nose for it. The work involved displays no skill as such. Interesting installation piece maybe but not art.

It could be that I am just a simple soul who takes pleasure in displays of skill that masquerade as art? A few examples of what I call art.................










What the above exhibit is not only an understanding by the artist of their chosen artform but also the ability to physically create it. It is this element that is missing in modern art in my opinion.

 

Don't think you need to point that out. Thats he best thing about art its all about opinion what one person likes another one doesn't and we all see it in different ways liek how we see the world everything has an individual interpretation.

for example i personally don't like a single one of the paintings you just posted lol I dont tend to like portraiture or paintings that are like photo realistic looking. I would like the second one but dont like the colours or lighting in that particular picture. The movie is brilliant tho.

here are the kind of artists I like I have a feeling our tastes differ dramatically

this one is by Francoise Nielly. I actually have this print on my bedroom wall



This is Rick Garland. I have a thing about urban decay




this guy is my latest discovery via instagram his name is Scott Naismith



then if we go old school i love Fauvism



and then i am partial to a bit of B.H Brody



From this it seems i just like really colourful stuff lol

 

I admire anyones work because i know how much effort and skill goes into them but even with the history behind pictures I really don't like the classic portraiture etc they just are not my style and I don't find them pleasing to look how and even tho i have analysed many in my time and know the stories I just find them a bit blah i guess.

I dunno through all my studies just never ever warmed to them

Enjoy your tour round the tate tho :-)

Its weird but i find most art galleries and exhibitions boring which is ridiculous considering. The only exhibition i have really enjoyed and would love to see again was the Summer of Love exhibition at tate liverpool that was amazing

if they ever put that back together and exhibit again its well worth going to see

 

Maybe it is because I love great photography.............

Monet is a bit of a weakness of mine and it was the colours (or more particularly the darkness of the foreground) that drew me to that painting.

Yay - somebody else has seen it! Truly incredible film I thought.

 

@longk its because i love great photography that i dont like photorealistic paintings. There are some amazing artists on instagram who produce these stunning pieces that look like a photo and really don't look painted and the same with sketches and i think thats an amazing skill but i feel they lack personality and i would prefer a photo. Does that make sense

I normally quite like Monet but that one I think it is the darkness im not feeling its a bit too heavy. That why i quite like the fauves because they never use black in any of their paintings.

Has no one else seen that film then? Jennifer Lawrence is amazing in it! because of her performance in that film its the only reason i watched the hunger games. She is truly stunning in it

 

Kind of, yes. But Rembrandt, Vermeer and their contempories where the photographers of their time. I used to visit the Nightwatch every week when I lived in Amsterdam and every time that I went back yet I could always find something new.

I hardly know anyone who has even heard of it.

She was, as was John Hawkes. He also "stars" in one of my favourite music videos (they're an art form in themselves)..................

 

Thats true. Maybe its because i have grown up with photography. I don't know its an odd one i cant say why i don't like realistic portraits maybe i just don't find people that interesting and prefer buildings and landscapes. Not a fan of still life either to be honest so no fruit bowls and vases of flowers, or skulls for me lol

I think the film was on bbc or channel 4 at some point in the last 4 years. Since being sick i tend to record everything on my V+ box because i cant stand day time tv so i record a lot of the programmes in the evening and movies that sound ok so that i can fill a lot of time in the days and avoid day time tv.