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    I am toying with the idea of making a large, double tier planter/raised bed to fit next to my current load of barrel planters.

    I am thinking of this sort of design (top picture is side view, bottom to show the two tiers): planter.png I'm thinking that the top tier could be slightly deeper than the bottom/front one, to accommodate deeper stuff (carrots, parsnips maybe), and I am also tempted to put tall posts at each corner to allow me to attach debris netting to protect fruits/crops.

    However, I have never done anything like this before, so could do with any tips/pointers; For example, what wood would be best to use? Should the finished planter be lined? If so, with what?
     
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      Hi, great idea, I love the design. Unfortunately I can't offer much advice, but we built our tall raised bed from sleepers (2 high) I've got to say I think it looks great and is perfect for carrots etc. we didn't line it but in hindsight I think we should have:dunno:. It's been there about 5/6 years now with no problems but I do worry it will deteriorate eventually (don't we all:old:) good luck with it, I love a new project:hapydancsmil:
       
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        I was wondering if I should make it out of decking boards, as they should be thick enough to hold the required weight, and should be treated to last ten years? I could line it with plastic sheeting with small drainage holes I suppose?
         
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        Hi FC,
        I ain't much good on this one but if I were you I'd put a tag/mention ( whatever it's called now ) out for Radiation91 as he's done a lot of stuff like this. ( I can't do that sort of thing offa me phone :( ).
         
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          Top layer would surely need to go to the floor as would never support the weight of the soil?
          We used rough sawn timber and lined the inside with damp proofing stuff. I also painted it all before we built it up.
          I think it cost about £40 all in with the posts, spiky joining things (technical term!) and wood.
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          I like your design, reminds me of @Sheal 's tiered bed and I love that.
           
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            We built our raised beds out of treated timber from the wood yard. We have lined them with heavy duty plastic. One of the beds was made with fence posts cut to long lengths with staggered joints like brickwork. You can make it as high as you want.
             
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            There was no separation in the tiers of my bed FC. The soil was piled up until the top tier of wood could be laid and both tiers were held in place and together with corner posts on each angle. There are no liners in the bed and all that's supporting both tiers is what you can see. There is a little bit of soil seepage under the top tier and I would expect that with a sandy soil but it's minimal and is topped up from time to time with compost etc. The woodwork is railway sleepers held in place with 4'x 4' posts. The bed was built in 2008 and the posts are beginning to rot on top but that's par for the course on the island because of it's climate. A tree stake will rot through at the base in two years! Apart from an initial coating of preservative the wood hasn't been coated since as I wanted it to weather.

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              Your's looks fantastic @Sheal :)

              I am planning on sitting mine atop the patio, so it will have to have a base in each part of the planter - not sure if I will fill with compost, top soil or a mix thereof to be honest, but the weight issue might restrict me to compost?

              I am thinking of making the frame with either 1" x 1¼" sawn treated timber, and then something like decking boards onto the frame, OR 2½" x 1½" CLS studwork well treated with something like Ronseal (thinking around 3 coats before then adding the outer cladding)
               
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              Thanks FC. :) Why do you think it needs a base? I would also take the soil level to the ground on both tiers to give you more planting depth.

              I think @JWK is the man to help you out with this. :)
               
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                I have to be very careful what I do @Sheal - as I rent, I have to make sure that everything like this is moveable, removable and easy to clean up and restore back to the way it was. The area I am planning on putting it is mostly sat on a patio, but the back 18-inches is gravel which would have to remain, and it will back onto a fence that belongs to the neighbours, so I have to be careful not to compromise the fence, nor run the risk of anything growing through the fence -- hence I think that self-contained is the way to go.

                I might put the whole thing on some very short feet then - 4" to 6" high maybe, and then build from there, with both tiers then coming down to a common base?

                I am wondering if there is a sheet material that I could use (something like OSB, but treated/rot-proof) to make the whole base.

                Also, rather than having holes in the base for drainage, what about snaking a land drain around the base, then lead it out to the back in a few places to allow it to drain off into the gravelled area?
                 
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                I realise you have to be careful and building a self contained unit is the way to go but I wouldn't put a base in it or attach legs as it will rot through eventually and you won't see that happening.

                I'd invest in some large slabs and cover the original patio and the gravel with these. In fact you could use the same to stand on end to protect the fence. This will also scrap the need for sheet material as drainage will be straight on to the slabs.
                 
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                  Hi FC,

                  I'm not offering any advice here as this is a bit above my expertise but I have a question......

                  Who do you rent off as our local council/housing association would welcome what your proposing as an improvement ?

                  I presume that you intend staying for a considerably time so if it's a private rental couldn't you just inform the owner (s) and show them what you intend to do ?
                  Then you could make thus project a more permanent feature.
                   
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                    I'd go for building up from the ground also.
                    I don't think there's any advantage of a floating back tier, extra compost is always good for root space also!

                    I know your feeling about rented accommodation!
                    I've had to make countless things "removable" even my shed.

                    The above seems the best option for longevity, decking boards and landscape fabric, but if you're looking to grow things to eat, i'd stay away from any treated wood and make sure it's protected from moisture by lining the inside with plastic (i used old sand bags, anything that'll stop the soil touching the wood and rotting it in no time)

                    The only way around it would be to use a hardwood that is not prone to rotting, although i can't think of any examples now (MIND BLANK!!!) Especially if you are thinking of eating anything made in said planter. Although this is more expensive...
                     
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                    I have just priced up some oak and some ash, and at nearly £30 a length, that is just too expensive.

                    I am still thinking that the decking is the way to go, and line the whole lot with plastic to prevent anything leaching into the crops.

                    I am going to mull it all over for a while, particularly whether to do it into the ground or have them raised with a base - - whilst the extra depth is a nice idea, the cost of filling the blighter with compost might sting a bit if it is too deep? - - although, some land drain pipe snaked round the bottom and then covered in gravel before the compost goes in...
                     
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