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    Any thoughts?
    Is it just me who thinks nobody wants to work since covid.
    First all those that could decided it was best to work from home and now, (probably the same sector) think it would be a good idea to get the same money but only work 4 days a week.

    What's going on, half the time nobody answers the phone and they now only want to do 4 days.
    And again its just not viable for the majority of the workforce.

    I know when I worked I'd never get the same amount of production out of 4 days as I would in 5 or often in some cases 6.
     
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      What???? You want me to work four days a week more than I do now? :whistle:
       
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        Think it were trialed in one of the Scandinavian country's with positive out comes , the idea is happy work force work harder , better work/life balance etc makes people happier . Unless you are self employed or heavy invested into the job I don't reckon people work as hard as they could do, can't you blame them really especially if you are on a low wage.

        Personally I think it should go down to 1 day a week this age thing is really starting to creep up on me :old: :hate-shocked:
         
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          There are lots of jobs, particularly in the service industries, that if they went down to four days a week the price of the service would have to increase by 25% to produce the same income :rolleyespink:
           
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            well tis quiet here with people not going to work, work time's have change big time here and not from the people that can work from home, the people here doing mannal jobs has change, time's they go the work and the lengh of time they are working, before some was working 6.20am start ane 1530pm fininsh, now, some time nights 16.30pm start 23,00-2400 fininsh and days would be any time from 5.00am- 7.00am starts 10.30am-14.00pm finnish

            even the agri staff are working less hours than they were
             
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              I've become ambivalent to things like this. It seems to be a constant stream of different ideas tried and discarded and all to appease a workforce that isn't happy because they have to work.
               
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                I wish they had a four day week when I was working ...
                but then, if I was in a job I enjoyed instead of ones I just drifted into (and I know what job that was) maybe I wouldn't have even wanted to retire.

                And I think most people are the same, they're not in the right jobs.
                And even if they are their employer probably treats them like dirt.
                 
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                  I initially wrote a different word to 'dirt' in my above comment, but the computer changed it to 'moo poo' ! :heehee:
                  which, to me, sounds worse than the word I wrote ...
                   
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                    In a 2022 UK trial of 70 firms, 86% of companies said the four-day week was such a success, they planned to keep it in place after the pilot ended. They cited benefits such as increased productivity and significant financial savings for employees on transport and childcare. Similar trials in Belgium, Spain, Japan, Australia and New Zealand have thrown up equally promising results for companies.
                     
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                      That's typical of statistics (sorry for using a dirty word :whistle:) and I'm pretty sure that the percentages are correct but it was only trialled in businesses that already knew their type of business was suitable for it.

                      So, 60 businesses out of the approx. 5.5 million in the country (Department for Business and Energy Strategy) are shown as a good example of the system working! :doh:

                      I have nothing against a four day week, particularly for those businesses that it will work for, but making it appear that it is easy for most tends to annoy me - and upsets a lot of people working in businesses that can't operate that way. Even if you just take it as a proportion of the 7700 'large' businesses (over 250 employees) it is less than 1%.

                      Those figures for business are only for private sector ones so don't include the public sector.

                      When I was at college I did a survey of whether people would like busses to be free but not trains. Approximately 95% agreed that busses but not trains should be free to all.

                      The topic I did it for was statistics. I got a congratulations for picking an interesting and practical topic until I was asked how I did the survey. The answer was simple:- "I asked the nineteen people waiting at the bus stop outside the college". All but one of them didn't use trains.


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                            And Bulls.
                             
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                              In the company where I work, it is in fact quite common for people to work 80% i.e. 4 day week or shorter days. Their workload (and pay) is calculated to be 80% so they are not cramming 100% into 80% week.

                              I was wondering about that, but it seems that people go to 80% when they have kids and then never stop.

                              It makes sense, if 80% salary is enough and you are used to that, why up your hours?

                              Personally I'm used to a 5 day week but having a 3 day weekend is indeed attractive and gives a lot more freedom to plan outings and shopping on a weekday etc.

                              If anyone gives me an option to do 80% on a 100% salary, yes please Sir I'm in! :)
                               
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                                I did 4 day weeks at one company I worked for. With flexi-time I could build up hours by working longer on the days I was in. They didn't allow a 4 day week, the most was 4.5 so we were supposed to work one half day. I took the half day as part of my annual leave so I didn't have to commute. I also took extra days holiday by sacrificing salary pro rata. It worked well for employees and employers.
                                 
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