Any idea what the problem is?

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  1. sweetpeas

    sweetpeas Gardener

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    I'm involved in a school gardening project and we have 2 of what I think are rambling roses, whilst giving them a prune (I don't have much experience with roses so cut off dead wood and damaged bits)I noticed these problems......Pics attached I hope

    They are in flower and look and smell rather nice so I hope it's something we can save.

    Thanks
     
  2. lollipop

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    It looks like actual physical damage-maybe two stems rubbing cross each other. In which case nothing needed-now that you have pruned them.
     
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    I only gave them a gentle prune as they were already in flower and they're about 12ft tall so didn't want to kill them as I don't know what I'm doing with roses. so with it being just physical damage how and when do I prune them in the future?
     
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    Sweetpeas, with rambler roses wait until they have finished flowering then cut out the flowered stems right back to the ground. By that time the rose will have made long new shoots for next year. Tie those shoots in. They're quite a lot of work but they are lovely.
     
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    Hi Sweetpea ,My advice would be to cut the damaged cane right away as if left it could be a new source of infection:)


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    A rambling Rose with typical seven leaflets A Climbing Rose with typical five leaflets[align=center]---------------------------------------------

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    [align=left]Ramblers are generally more vigorous than climbers, and have stems which are far more pliable, very often resulting in long arching growths - whereas the climbing roses tend to grow rather rigidly upright. The blooms on Rambling Roses are always of the multi flowering 'Floribunda' habit, rather than the classical well-shaped HT type roses. So generally clusters of anywhere between 7 to 20 flowers - sometimes fully single - sometimes small doubles.[/align]
    [align=left]The rambling roses generally flower in mid summer, on short shoots emanating from second year (old) wood. For this reason, they are best growing over a wall or sturdy trellis.
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    Pruning Rambling Roses - Ramblers.

    [align=left]Pruning requirements for established rambling roses are >>> Summer right after flowering.
    Cut out around one third of all old flowered stems at ground level. New shoots will soon grow from the base - but will take two years to provide the flowering stems that shoot out from these main 'branches'. Also cut back all flowered side shoots to within 3-4 buds from the main stems.
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    From that I think they're climbing, here is a pic of a bud and a rose and from the same plant, The other one is a deep purple with an amazing scent.

    A leaf too as I thought I'd better check this out too.
     
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    That is a gorgeous rose, and from the looks of it, you are lucky enough to have a frame ready made in that fencing.

    Actually roses are brilliant flowers because their pruning is pure commonsense. I had a picture once of pruning techniques but I have lost it on one of my many revamps of my pc. I will have a scan around for another one and post it up-although I think there are some here that Woo posted somewhere too.

    Like Woo, I too would rmove the damaged cane-if there is a flower at the top of it, it will be haeartbreaking, but it is better for the rose to remove any possible sources of infection.


    That one is gorgeous.
     
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    Thanks claire

    It's on school property so big fencing :) althought will have to butcher the elderberry bush to be able to tie it back.

    So should I cut it all back now or leave them to flower? althought they would look rather nice in a vase in my front room.
     
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    Hi Sweetpeas If they are Climbing and I tend to think that they are from your Photos,they should be repeat flowering ,I would leave them,but by all means use some to cut and put in a vase in your front room,:)

    Just a little tip to make them last longer,cut the stems under water on a slant instead of making it a straight cut. also cut off any leaves that are below the water line. a spoonful of sugar added to the water will keep flowers longer as well. Top up your vase everyday with water and dont have them near the fire or radiators.:)
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    I heard putting a penny in the vase will help :wink:
     
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    Other than getting rid of the damaged canes, I would let them flower, there is no advantage to pruning them hard back at this stage of the year, you'd lose flowers for no real benefit.
     
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