Are Rhubarb stalks poisonous too ?

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    I know that you must not eat the leaves.

    For the past couple of weeks I've been having stewed rhubarb with double cream for my pudding every evening. It's lovely! But the end of last week I was suddenly unwell, sickness and diarrhea. I'm rarely sick and soon recovered, but laying off the rhubarb just in case. I'm the only one in the family eating it and the only one to get sick, so I'm pretty sure it's the amount of rhubarb I've eaten and not some other bug going around.

    Do the stalks also contain the same substance as the leaves but in smaller quantities? Should you only eat the red part of the stalks?

    I hate to see it go to waste as there is a ton of it coming in the allotment this year.
     
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      Rhubarb can have a laxative effect. The Romans had a recipe that we covered in Latin classes for a rhubarb based laxative.
      I would expect the stems to contain similar compounds to the leaves but in lower quantities. The poisonous compound is oxalic acid. I wouldn't cook rhubarb in a an aluminium pan.
      I love rhubarb, dessert tonight, and have i not had a problem with it that I can remember.
       
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        The stems are very acidic, but contain predominately Malic acid rather than the high level of Oxalic acid in the leaves, although it's prudent to trim off the ends.
         
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          "The poison in rhubarb

          Oxalates are contained in all parts of rhubarb plants, especially in the green leaves. There is some evidence that anthraquinone glycosides are also present and may be partly responsible. It is not clear as to the exact source of poisoning from rhubarb, possibly a result of both compounds. The stalks contain low levels of oxalates, so this does not cause problems.

          Chemical Composition of Rhubarb




          Water 91.2 - 96.1 %
          Solids, total 4.0 - 8.48 %
          Solids, soluble 2.1 - 3.0 %
          Sugars 0.3 - 2.3 %
          Nitrogen, total 0.127 - 0.211 %
          Proteins 0.6
          Fats traces - 0.7 %
          Pectins (Ca-pectate) 0.11 - 0.77 %
          Tannins 0.058 - 0.110 %
          Fiber, Crude 1.1 - 1.2
          Carotenes 1.2 ug/100g
          Ash 0.62 - 1.23 %
          Acids
          Malic 0.73 - 2.15 %
          Oxalic acid 0.124 - 1.360 %
          Citric acid 0.07 - 0.18 g/100g
          Acetic acid 0.02 - 0.16 g/100g
          Fumaric acid 0.01 - 0.10 g/100g
          Glucolic acid 0.01 g/100ml
          Succinic acid 0.02 g/100ml
          pH 3.01 - 3.59
          Ash constituents
          mg/100g
          K 212-425
          Na 2.2
          Ca 44 - 103
          Mg 13.6
          Fe 0.40 - 0.80
          Cu 0.13 - 0.50
          P 21.0 - 31.0
          S 8.2
          Cl 87
          Vitamins
          A1 30 - 100 I.U.
          B1 0.2 ug/100g
          B2 0.06 - 0.3 ug/100g
          C 7 - 34 mg/100g






          During World War I rhubarb leaves were recommended as a substitute for other veggies that the war made unavailable. Apparently there were cases of acute poisoning and even some deaths. Some animals, including goats and swine, have also been poisoned by ingesting the leaves.

          The biodynamic (toxicity) mechanism by which oxalic acid works is somewhat different from organic poisons and is more analogous to heavy metal poisoning. Organic poisons often work through at the biochemical level, e.g. cyanide by interfering with respiration at the cellular level, strychnine by screwing up inter-synaptic transmission. There are many molecular substances in foods which offer no nutritional benefit, and must be processed and excreted. Oxalic acid, for example, is excreted in the urine, and its crystals are commonly found in microscopic urinalysis. Too much oxalic acid in the urine will result in kidney or bladder stones. Calcium combines with oxalic acid to form the less soluble salt, calcium oxalate, which is also found in kidney stones. Plant leaves, especially rhubarb, cabbage, spinach, and beet tops, contain oxalic acid. Oxalic acid is also found in potatoes and peas. Vitamin C is metabolized to oxalic acid; it contributes to over-saturation of the urine with crystals and possibly to stone formation."
           
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                The concentration of oxalic acid is quite low whereas the malic acid is about twice that of oxalic.

                Neither should be a problem. Rhubarb contains about the same amount as Brussels sprout and a third as much as spinach.

                Apparently bicarb counteracts some of the acidity in the rhubarb but whether it lowers toxicity of oxalic I'm not sure. I eat a lot of it and don't have any stomach problems.

                I picked 20lb today (for sale for charity) and shall probably pick another 50lb this week. So I shall almost certainly eat it five times this week (the other times I shall be working my way through the apples in the freezer).
                 
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                  That's good to hear, going by what you and others say on here I can rule out Rhubarb as the cause of my one-off sickness bout. I'll try it again next week when my appetite returns.
                   
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                    I forgot to add:- apart from @NigelJ 's warning of not to use an aluminium pan (which I heartily endorse) you should try and avoid using copper pans - not that many people have those nowadays.
                     
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                      Last year I was picking stalks as much as I could and eating them raw with a little bowl of sugar, I don't remember getting ill.
                       
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                        You not been grafting your Rhubarb on to anything have you John? :th scifD36:
                         
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                          Could it have affected your memory? :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                           
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                            Never tried them raw before must give it a try.
                             
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                              They can be a bit Tart, John,
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                              so you need something sweet, like sugar, honey, maple syrup, to contrast it.......but it is nice!:snorky:
                               
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                                We used to do this on my grandads allotment. He had the biggest patch of rhubarb I have ever seen, it must have been 25 ft x 10 ft at least, and it was solid with the stuff. Grandad would take out his pocket knife cut all the grandkids a stalk, peel it, top and tail it and then give it us. Nan would then supply a bowl of sugar to dip it in. It's put a smile on my face remembering that. When we were given it my grandad would always say " if that don't make you pooh nothing will". It never bothered any of us. We ate loads of it raw.

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