BEES ARE BANNED

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  1. ARMANDII

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    Here's an extract from an article in the Amateur Gardening Magazine.

    "Allotments Gardeners have been banned from keeping Bees, in case they get stung. The bizarre health and safety crackdown has be ordered by Councillors in Sheringham, Norfolk. But the British Beekeepers Association (BBKA) slammed the Council's decision.

    Sheringham Allotment holder Malcolm Birtwell branded the ban as "madness". Malcolm, a Sheringham Town Councillor and member of the Weybourne Road Allotment Holders Association said gardeners should be allowed to keep Bees. He said "When you are on an allotment you are surrounded by insects. It is Health and Safety gone mad. We need to be pro-active in supporting Bee keeping. Bees are a principle pollinator of food crops.
    Mayor of the town, Tricia Brooks, said the Council had acted due to fears that a gardener could get stung and suffer an allergic reaction. She said "I don't have any objection to it being brought back to be debated"
    Locals blasted the Council's decision on social networking site "Streetlife". One user. Bill C, said "Health and Safety is a poor excuse to use, especially as there are plent of allotments that have Bees, and many in Norfolk"
    Cold winters , habitat loss, and farm pesticides are thought to be the reason for Bee Death in Europe. Declines of up to 50% have been reported in recent years. BBKA spokeswoman Gill Maclean said she did not know of any other Councils that had banned Bees from allotment sites. Gill added "Lots of Councils are happy to see it happen" She said that Beekeepers who were BBKA members had Public Liability Insurance. Gill said Bees were an important pollinator and would help with yields of fruit and veg growing at plots.
    In the UK about 70 crops were dependent on, or benefit from, visits from Bees. A third of food eaten would not be available if it was not for Bees.
     
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      So for the people who are already keeping bees what do they do?just evict them! and lose all the time and money spent on helping pollunation:mad: toss their beehives on the allotment bonfire:mad::mad:
      A bee can sting anyone at anytime,i got stung in my bedroom yrs ago..im fuming at that article armandii :gaah:x
       
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        They must be thinking of painting the bees so they can colour coordinate their origins to return them to their owners!
         
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          This is stupid! You can get sung by a bee ANYWHERE! Health & safety drives me crackers!
          As Joolz68 said what are the people suppose to do with their bees who already live on the allotment? I thought bees are 'homing' creatures so you couldn't just get rid could you? :mad:
           
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            It just shows you that so called intelligent people, Joolz, can become really good candidates for a Village Idiot's Job by getting a Bee in Their Bonnet about something they really don't have any knowledge about including Health and Safety and the Natural World, Joolz.
            My local Church Council sent one of it's members on a Health and Safety course and he came back full of self importance promising that "things would change in the churchyard and that all leaning Grave Stones would be taken down including some rather large stone Angels". Since none of the Grave Stones were leaning dangerously I mentioned it to him and he made an excuse by saying "Yes, well, a lot of the older visitors use the stones as support when getting up after kneeling and they could cause the stones to collapse and injure themselve. We have to have Health and Safety, you know".
            So a week later on visiting the Churchyard I found the guy, along with another guy, actually taking down a rather beautiful large stone Angel which probably weighed nearly three quarters of a ton by hand!! Not being one to ignore a situation like that I asked him how after attending a basic Health and Safety course he was now ignoring every aspect of Health and Safety by trying to take down, from a high pedestal, such a heavy object by hand, when he should have been using a proper contractor with a crane? No Angels or Grave Stones have been moved since and the Secretary of the Church Council has mentioned it to me by saying "This is a beautiful place isn't it and it should and will stay the same"
            There's nothing wrong with most of the Health and Safety Regulations, and indeed it was part of my job sometimes as a Manager to enforce it..........but it's the way it is interpreted by people who have different agendas that causes the problems.:coffee:
             
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              Well done armandii:dbgrtmb: Pillocks!!!!
              Its all about compensation claims these days so i understand to some point but if they got their hands in their pockets(meaning tax payers contributions) and made gravestones safe surely it would work out cheaper than claims and leave the world a much beautiful place
               
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                You are highly unlikely to ever get stung by a bee. If you just ignore any bee near you or on you it will not sting - they only respond to aggression. And even then only 50% of bees have a sting as the drones (males) are stingless. And after all that only 2% of us are allergic to bee stings.
                So this decision is total idiocy. The effort wasted on this would be better spent telling people to just ignore bees, not to drink out of tin cans and to tip your shoes out in the summer before putting your feet in.
                 
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                  I agree, longk, I'm often sticking a camera lens in a Bee's, Wasp's, and any other insect face that I'm taking a pic of and never been stung yet.:snork:
                   
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                    They banned bees in New York as part of zero tolerance, so bee keepers became inventive in how they kept hives, hiding them in ventilation spaces and desguised on rooftops, I reckon this is what will happen here, folk will just work around the ban, if it's implemented.
                    As said previously it's ridiculous to ban bees from allotments, we need to treasure every Bee we have, wherever they are located.
                    Hopefully common sense will prevail and the councils will get around it by adding something in the lease contract to state that there may be Bees kept on the allotments and anyone who may be sensitive or allergic to stings must acknowledge the risk and may need to take the necessary precautionary measures.
                    What next banning pollen loading plants as they may cause hay fever lol!
                     
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                      It's probably been decided by people who have never set foot on an allotment and who know nothing about bees. Also I would have thought that people who are allergic to bee stings would know this and rather than risk going into anaphylactic shock as the result of a bee sting would perhaps avoid hobbies like allotmenteering and gardening?
                       
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                      I go into acute shock as a result of bee stings but it has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I do the basics that I mentioned earlier but that's it. I haven't seen my EpiPen in about four years or so :dunno:
                       
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                        Councillor, councillor I've been stung by a bee and it came from *that* allotment. :mad:
                        Can you describe the bee so we can positively identify where it came from? :th scifD36:
                        Yes, it was black with yellow stripes (or perhaps, yellow with black stripes)? :scratch:

                        Fetch the Bee Police, immediatlely! :paladin:

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                          I think we should ban everything that could hurt people, o that means life as we know it
                           
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                            Health and Safety are working on it, be patient!
                             
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                              I dont see any problem with people keeping bees as long as they are actively managing their hives

                              on the other hand i do have a problem with if they have hives and are not looking after them

                              A neighbour of my parents had abandoned hives in the garden that he didn't look after and at some point bees must have used it but there was a problem. Not sure if the queen had died or something happened but no one could walk into the second half of my parents garden without getting stung

                              If you walked into the flight path of the bees they would chase you until you were stung. and they would chase you a very long way

                              Here is a pic of my parents garden. I had got to the arch way between the fir trees which is about half way down when suddenly this bee flew at me. I managed to run all the way to the steps where half way up i was stung on the back of the head.

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                              That summer so many people got stung, my parents friends, family members and the poor gardener was harassed. it was a complete nightmare. To be safe you couldn't go further than the arched on the right of the pic where there is white furniture

                              So i have no problems with people who are looking after their hives and are responsible but not people who get into it and then cant be bothered and just leave it.
                               
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