BEKO, LEISURE & FLAVEL GAS COOKERS - SAFETY WARNING

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  1. JWK

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    Just read this on the BBC, about two men dying from carbon monoxide poisoning caused by a design fault in Beko cookers/ovens/grills.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-20626482

    "HSE engineer Steve Critchlow told the inquest cooker grills should not be operated with the door closed as this limits oxygen and can cause carbon monoxide to be produced."

    Apparenty 6 people have been killed by this defect.

    The manufacturer has attempted to contact everyone who bought one, but around 7,000 owners can't be traced.

    Make sure it isn't you or anyone else you can think of that owns one.

    Here's the link to theSafety Notice:
    http://www.beko.co.uk/CookerSafetyNotice
     
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      Thanks for that John ... have a Beko fridge/freezer but not cooking devices.
       
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          Oh blimey Aesculus, Beko Fridge/Freezers are a problem too!

          Hope you check that link Vicky in case it's your model.
           
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              I have no concerns over it John/Little A and I would be concerned because it is in one of our rental properties! I did notice the date of the warning/report was 18 months ago ...

               
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                Cheap Turkish rubbish I'm afraid - I wouldn't have a Beko in the house.
                 
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                Its very difficult these days to determine what is cheap Turkish rubbish from cheap Chinese rubbish or cheap Korean rubbish.
                Most of what we buy these days is rubbish, the one sure thing is, its not made in this part of the world.
                 
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                To a degree, it does still boil down to the old adage 'you get what you pay for'; to be fair to the Koreans, their stuff is generally miles better than the Turkish tat - LG & Samsung are pretty good nowadays, whereas the Turkish equivalents of Beko and Vestel are pretty awful (Vestel don't sell under their own brand name, but are generally the manufacturer responsible for supermarket brands, and even the likes of Bush, Wharfedale and Grundig nowadays)

                When it comes to domestic appliances, you won't go far wrong with Miele, Bosch (except their cheap ones) and Neff - sure, they will set you back a bit more (our Bosch tumble dryer was £800) but they also last a hell of a lot longer while invariably using less electricity and are less likely to burn your house down.
                 
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                Well you obviously know more about this kind of thing than me FC.:blue thumb:

                800 quid for a tumble dryer, I'd need it to last for the rest of my life.:biggrin:
                I have a washing line. £1.50 local hardware store.;)
                 
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                  I spent a large part of my life in the TV/Video/HiFi trade, and also had dealings with domestic appliances too, and its kinda stuck ever since.

                  I admit that I do get frustrated when I see people buying relatively cheap items, and then being frustrated when they give trouble after a very short time.

                  My mum's first 'automatic' washing machine was a Zanussi that cost her £350 from the Co-Op (paid off in instalments with a wee book) - a quick look here suggest that £350 from 1985 is equivalent to £931 today, so why do so many consumers expect that a washing machine made to sell for £179 today is going to be durable whilst also being better than the one we would have bought in 1985?

                  It saddens me to be honest - electronics and domestic appliances is one of the few industries where prices have consistently dropped, whilst features have been expected to increase - - under those conditions, something has to give and that something is quality and longevity. No wonder we are flying through raw materials nowadays - far too much is built not to last.
                   
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                    I think most people are under the impression that technology has moved on.
                    Take computers for instance, much cheaper now than 10 yrs ago and better.
                    So why have we not moved on regarding white goods.
                    Why should we not be paying less for the same quality bearing in mind all manufacturing has been moved from us, here in Europe, to the third world, for economic reasons.
                     
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                    Bosch sell their branding to other companies. I don't know about domestic appliances, but I know Bosch car parts often have never been anywhere near a Bosch factory
                    Not too much in the way of raw materials in a computer. That's why the cost comes down while the capability increases. Computer components are designed with the aid of computers, so a moderately powerful computer can do the complex sums fast enough to work out how to get more power for less cost out of the next generation of chips, and those chips end up in the next computers, which in turn help to work out how to get more power for less cost.

                    It all contributes to keeping Moore's Law true. Roughly every 18 months, computing power per unit of cost will double.
                     
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                      That pretty much sums it up. Don't get me wrong, as production technologies improve it is entirely feasible that cost savings can be made whilst maintaining the quality - the trouble is that it has gone way too far nowadays with many products; the resulting products are also extremely unfriendly in environmental terms, as they are almost invariably rendered beyond repair regardless of the the severity of any fault that appears.

                      Also, bear in mind that as you rightly state the production has been moved around the globe to save money - the trouble is that the workers in those country will be fighting for fairer and fairer terms as time goes on (exactly as happened here over the years), and slowly but surely the cost of their labour increases - the only way then to maintain the low price point is to cut corners.
                       
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                        That's already happening. That's why our local news up here at least seems to have an article every other day about some manufacturer or other coming back. A consortium of government and private businesses (collectively UKTI) have been working hard for a few years now to bring business back to the UK, and seperate to that there is also international treaties on emissions + ever increasing fuel costs means it is getting more costly to ship things around the world, all added to the situation you describe that has already happened in parts of China and India, all means it will all end up back here sooner or later.

                        As a slight aside, conversations like this remind me of one I had with my 3 year old son a few weeks ago. He asked what they make at daddy's work (I work in a massive petrochemicals site, although my job is nothing really to do with that). I said they make plastic. He thought about this for a second, and said 'toys?'. I replied 'no, the plastic gets made at daddy's work then it goes on a big ship to the other side of the sea, then it gets made into toys, and goes on another big ship to come back to our shops'.
                         
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