Bonzai trees

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  1. persephony

    persephony Apprentice Gardener

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    I was looking at some bonzai tree seeds, I don't know the first thing about them but now I'm intregued. Do any of you have one? Are they hard work? Has anyone grown one from seed?
     
  2. shiney

    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    Hi Per, and welcome. Wherever you saw the bosai tree seeds they couldn't have described them properly. There is no such thing, but they probably meant they are seeds that are suitable for growing trees that you wish to turn into bonsai [​IMG]

    Making bonsai takes patience and care but is not difficult. You grow the tree into a sapling and then start shaping the branches and root pruning. Mrs shiney gives talks on bonsai and suggests that I put some of her crib notes on here for you. You will need to decipher them :D

    You should be able to find a good book on bonsai in your local library. They are usually very easy to follow and the end results are quite rewarding.

    Good luck.

    "Bonsai: plant in a pot. It is not a ââ?¬Å?type|ââ?¬Â of tree ââ?¬â?? eg Japanese

    How? Seed, sapling, cuttings, layering, dividing, some ââ?¬Å?suckersââ?¬Â - eg lilac, plants from the wild - get permission if appropriate

    What do you want?
    First: do you want evergreen or deciduous?
    Interesting shapes - maple, conifers, oak, weeping willow
    Leaf colour: maple, berberis, conifers, gingko biloba, cypress
    Flowers: azaleas, cydonia japonica, forsythia, jasminum nudiflorum, malus, wisteria, tamarisk
    Fruit: cotoneaster, hawthorn, holly, malus

    Styles: Upright Chokkan
    Oblique Shakan
    Winding Kyokkuk
    Gnarled Hankan
    Clasped to stone
    Cascading Kengai
    Horizontal - Ikadi buki p.34

    Seed: Well drained soil, crocks or pebbles near drainage hole, label what they are and the date! Hardcoated seeds - stratification. Good drainage ââ?¬â?? layers of sand, seed, sand, seed, etc.

    Suitable subjects: acer, birch, cotoneaster, hawthorn, beech, gingko, holly, oak, yew

    Cutting: half ripe pieces, remove bottom leaves and strike in sharp sand mixed with compost.

    Hollies are male, female or bisexual: So if you want berries, you need a cutting from a tree that has both male and female flowers on it. Ilex aquifolium is a bisexual holly.

    Layering: can layer into the ground, or identify a suitable branch on a tree (maple e.g.)
    Cut a ring of the camber 2�apart. Collect some sphagnum moss, wrap it round the branch, and cover with clingfilm. This is so you can see when the roots appear. When this happens, sever it from the mother plant and pot it up in potting compost.

    Containers: - personal taste; attractive; pottery classes; rectangular, oval, shallow (P52)
    Drainage most important

    Repotting: don�t be in a hurry. Bonsai can stay in their original pot for 2 -3 years. If you are worried about nutrients, you can get a Bonsai fertiliser and water occasionally with this. John Innes No. 1 is good for bonsai.

    Positioning of bonsai in the pot - not always central ââ?¬â?? cascading off centre so it is nearer the edge to cascade;

    Creating a Forest: many seedlings or a horizontal cutting.

    Training: raffia, small stones, copper wire: Make sure that the copper wire doesn�t stay too long or it will cut through the growing bark and damage your bonsai. Train during growing season

    Pruning: cut to an outward growing tip. Don�t leave extra on as it will rot. Finger pruning: rub out a leaf bud before it comes out. Much easier.

    Root pruning: Light prune, cut tap root to encourage feeding roots. Let roots grow to within 1�from the sides of the pot."
     
  3. Sarraceniac

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    Shiney, Mrs S has been on at me for years to grow something she can bonsai. At last, after reading a book on it, she decided she wants a Judas tree. LoL kindly sent me some seeds (in with some others) which I planted a couple of weeks ago and are now germinated. I shall grow them on and when they are big enough Boss lady can start hacking at them. The only thing I am worried about is 'Where do i get a 2" high suicidal Judas'?
     
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    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    [​IMG] Handy notes there Shiney. I have a Beech one coming on. It is about 6yrs old I think & has been in this pot for 3yrs now. Too dark now for a pic, but will try & remember to post one tomorrow. I have had a couple of books from the library..
     
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    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    MF, if you can get a good photo on here we may be able to make some suggestions [​IMG] :D
     
  7. walnut

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    Persephony I usually get tree seeds growing in the garden either dropped by birds or my own trees,I usually pot them up keep them in their same pots root prune them and shape them once a year in bonsai fashion, eventually they start to look the part,LtoR here is cottoneaster silver birch hawthorn,cottoneaster are particularly easy.
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    [​IMG] OK here you go Shiney, my SiL says it is older than 6yrs & I can't remember..!! :rolleyes: :D
    BTW it is about 7"or8" high.
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    So what do you recommend I do shiney.? [​IMG]
     
  9. Juliasaurus

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    My husband has an excellent track record of killing bonsai trees (he's hacked the most recent one to death and I'm not sure there is any means of resurrecting it now):

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    He's eyeing up pretty much everything I have for cuttings. Apparently Metasequoia is a popular bonsai tree (according to Paul's books), but he's not going anywhere near it in case his Touch Of Death does for my tree!
     
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    Victoria Lover of Exotic Flora

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    Isn't it though?! :eek: This is why I'm not letting the Isleworth Slasher anywhere near my plants! [​IMG]

    Yours look lovely - very well looked after.
     
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    Here is mine a cutting from a box hedge sure this was taken 5yrs ago.

    Needing a trim and a feed.
     
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    Julia, :D :D :D

    I hope you all succeed in this, i'm still trying to grow normal size plants [​IMG]

    cheers
     
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    Paladin Gardening...A work of Heart

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    Rather scruffy but that's what a flood does to you :D
    There is a dead Pine helping to support an Ash and Hazel. Only four years old but coming along!
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    Paladin Gardening...A work of Heart

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    And two Hazel,which are about two years old.
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    The left one will be trimmed at the spur when the buds open.
     
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