Broken Leader

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  1. Freddy

    Freddy Miserable git, well known for it

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    Hi folks. A couple of days ago I managed to break the leader on one of my tomato plants. What I thought I'd do is allow one of the side-shoots to develop and take it's place. Does this sound like a good idea ? Cheers...freddy.
     
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    I'd do it Freddy and be interested to hear how that goes. I 'accidentally' removed the growing tip of one of my tomatoes last year, and tried this same trick. I can't say it was a great success, the side shoot seemed to be a bit weak - but hey, what have you to lose?
     
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    Yup, do well.

    I'm also allowing one side shoot to develop (down towards the bottom of the plant), on each of my Tom plants, with the intention of taking it as a cutting when about 4" - 6" long, just in case I need any "spares"
     
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    I've already done that Kristen, got about 6 or so side shoot cuttings in my greenhouse. I just can't bear to throw away anything that looks like it might be useful. But the frost got the cuttings the other night - they don't look at all well, may be just as well, I've far too many plants right now.
     
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    Anyway, it's Kristen's fault. He told me to give them a good shake :mad: :D
     
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    Isn't it common practice with some tomatoes plants to nip out the top growth? Maybe I'm being daft but I thought that was how bush tomatoes worked?
     
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    Hi clueless1. These are grown as cordons, a single stem which is 'stopped' when it reaches the greenhouse roof (probably 5 or 6 trusses). As it grows, there is the endless task of removing the side-shoots. With bush tomatoes, the plant is left to it's own devices. There's no need to take out the top growth as it's natural habit will make it branch out. Cheers...freddy.
     
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    clueless; there are two sorts of toms, determinate & indeterminate (which are the bush varities like Tumbling Toms) - you just leave the bush varieties alone - no pinching out at all. Most tomatoes are determinate (like Moneymaker etc), which have to be trained into the long straight shape, its common practice to nip out the top when 4 or 6 trusess have formed - thats high enough for most ameteurs greenhouses (although commercial growers get them to grow even bigger).
     
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    "Drums your fingers on the cane" is my advice for pollination. Not "shake them to death" !!
     
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    You beat me to it Freddy - and with a better description! :)
     
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    Have you got that the right way round John?

    Indeterminate need the side shoots removing in order to train them as a single stem.

    Determinate will "determine their own shape, by themselves" - i.e. grow into a bush.

    The RHS explain it better than me!

    http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profiles0505/tomatoes.asp
     
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    I've learnt something today. Cheers folks. I always thought bush toms were just any other that had been trained differently to the common vine way of doing it. Now I know differently.
     
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    Ooops - got me determinate & indeterminate wrong way round, thanks Kristen. Perhaps we should call them either cordon or bush types that seems to describe the two different types better.
     
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    Being dyslexic I struggle with terms like Determinate and Indeterminate. Bush and Cordon would suit me much better.

    The way I remember it is that "determinate" can determine their own shape - i.e. bush - whereas the indeterminate, "scruffy", remainder have to be trained all their lives - bit like my slightly wayward dogs!
     
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    Thats a good way to think of it Kristen :gnthb:
     
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